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Lucky lucky. $h!t is too expensive for me! but i usually get 4 or 5 games in a year which is good enough for me, almost all of them are televised anyway.
Ive never been more excited for hockey season to start, its gonna be totally different this year, and years to come, EXciting!!
 

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Lucky lucky. $h!t is too expensive for me! but i usually get 4 or 5 games in a year which is good enough for me, almost all of them are televised anyway.
Ive never been more excited for hockey season to start, its gonna be totally different this year, and years to come, EXciting!!

Yeah tell me about it... LOL I'm jealous too. The guys went last year quite a few times and left me home =( I told Kevy that he has to buy me the PPV package - that way if he leaves me home with baby, I at least get to watch the games. We usually average 10 or more games a year; last year Kev got his 10 games in, I only got 2. This year we've got season tickets, and the company suite... And I will barely get to go! FML

I think it will be a great year for the Oil. We have a lot of promise and a lot of excitement to back the team! I am thrilled to see some of the stale blood gone, and moved around. I hope that Renney's coaching style will be the revitalize we need!
 

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I agree 100%...Edmonton needs something to put it back on the map our downtown is a disgrace...The Industrial Park starts in Nisku and ends in St Albert hopefully a New Arena can be the start of a rejuveniated downtown core.
 

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I agree 100%...Edmonton needs something to put it back on the map our downtown is a disgrace...The Industrial Park starts in Nisku and ends in St Albert hopefully a New Arena can be the start of a rejuveniated downtown core.

For real! edmonton is an industrial hub. in the spring when everything is still brown, the city just looks ugly. haha im looking forward to these changes.
 

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Your view is skewed. Your biggest argument for not going ahead with the arena is that EVERYONE will want the roads fixed. This isn't true. NOT EVERYONE in Edmonton drives, NOT EVERYONE drives on the chitty roads, and NOT ALL roads in Edmonton suck. Yes, it's true that many of them need a little TLC, but do go to a northern Alberta town or city that doens't need some degree of road work. We are not blessed with a long road construction season - this is why when you make a trip of any length around the province during the summer you are likely to run into road construction at least once.

Your next argument is that you rarely attend Rexall Place. Is this because you don't like hockey? Because you don't like concerts? Because you like to stay home? Because you don't like to be elbow to elbow with 18 thousand other fans? Because you don't like crowds in the concourse? Because you can't afford it? There are many reasons that one won't use the exisiting facitlity. But for the nearly 18 thousand people who pack those stands for EVERY game, win or lose. Or every concert, good or bad. Or every other event held there, whatever it may be. We deem it to be worth our time, money and effort to get there.

I read an article yesterday which showed the attendance by fans over the last almost 20 years. In the last 5 years, an average of 690,257.8 fans attended Oiler's games each season. (New Edmonton Arena) I haven't managed to find a statistic for how many people attend Rexall Place for other events such as concerts, other sporting events and miscellaneous events. That is nearly 700 thousand people per year- garaunteed, to show up at whatever venue is built for their team. Do you know how much money 700 people spend on nights out? How can this not benefit the downtown? Everytime we go to a game, my husband and I drive 5 hours, go for dinner, have a few drinks, go to the game, pay for parking, usually have more drinks at the game, and snack food, not to mention 50/50 tickets etc. If by some grace of God we both got off work early, we would go shopping in the City Center mall. And I know for a fact that we are not the only ones who travel to go to games. If the new arena were to go ahead, it would have everything we needed all in one area. Instead of having to go down to St Albert Trail to eat dinner at the Keg, we could get away with dinner somewhere around the complex. Instead of paying for parking, we could park at an LRT terminal and walk around at the arena. Instead of playing the parking cluster f@#* game at the end of every event, we would just get on the LRT and have a much easier time getting out of the city.

Think of what that would do for the whole area? It would increase LRT ridership, as there is very little parking downtown - but reduce the awful traffic nightmares on Gretzky and 118. It would bring in more money to the downtown businesses, who are getting a market they may have never seen otherwise. It would benefit the restaurants in the area, as not everyone is going to want to eat at the restaurants in the complex. It would benefit the people who would be employed to build the complex, it would benefit the people employed to work at the complex, in the hotel, restaurants and casino.

Everyone is whining now about LENDING tax dollars to get this project off and running. What about in the 70's when Rexall was originally built?? Who funded that project?



OR what about this little stat

(Door not quite shut on provincial aid)

Now from my fan perspective.
I LOVE going to hockey games, I LOVE going to concerts, I LOVE going to other events.

What I would like to see is a new arena for the events held. Nicer seats, more Gold and Silver seats. More room in the concourse. More stuff to see in the concourse during intermissions. More variety in food offered. More bars like the club downstairs. (Maybe even a clean food violation record ... :rolleyes: ())
I won't be able to make any games this year, unfortunately. I was hoping to be able to squeeze in the home opener before baby comes, but as I was saying about lack of room on the concourse, I would be afraid to catch a stray elbow, have people constantly bumping into me and josling baby around. If there was more room in the concourse area, this would not be a problem!

Now for my Devil's Advocate opinion...
How can you guys call yourselves the City of Champions, yes, they've had a few basement years, but if the city wants to continue with that tag line, I think they should SUPPORT THEIR TEAMS! But hey, that's just me. The Oiler's have a legacy, and not one that should be shuffled under the carpet, and left to decay just because half of city council is on the board for the Northlands. The building is insufficient and has been for years - hence the substantial renovations over the past few years.

Maybe that's because you don't live in edmonton and won't see the tax hike from the project? Raise taxes for roads, sure, but for a hockey rink? That is the STUPIEST thing i've ever heard. Road construction will create 10x more jobs and renenue for people. Once the place is built, it will only help by the number of extra people at games, and help different business. Road construction is 12 months of the year for the large part, some things are only like 8-10 but still, it is non stop. The roads are bad because the city is retarded and waited for them getting worse for years and now cannot catch up. If they don't keep working on them, it will not be long before some roads will be undrivable. No matter where in the city there is bad roads, sidewalks, etc.

I will bet ANY money katz had something to do with that health food study. Anyone who doesn't think so has their head in the sand.

I don't go to games to see how pathetic the team has gotten, the drunken idiots, or anything else. Yea when they had that playoff run it would of been good, but now it's sad to watch. I'm just as happy to watch it at home.

Now if katz said he would split the profit with the city, that would be different. But to say he makes no money and won't let the city in on the new profits is BS.
 
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for those of you who are against the new building ask the cities of winnipeg and quebec how its been around there since the powers to be would not build a new arena ... there is so many benifits from having a state of the art entertainment complex
 

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Couple Comments I thought were interesting!
Here`s the article!

Anaheim. Honda Center, built 1993, cost $120 million, all public money.

Atlanta. Philips Arena, 1999, $204 million, with 78 per cent coming from public funding, 22 per cent private.

Boston. TD Garden, 1995, $144 million arena, paid for by the team owners, but with $16 million in land donated by the government.

Buffalo. HSBC Arena, 1996, $122 million, $54 million in public funds.

Calgary. Pengrowth Saddledome, 1983, $100 million, all public money.

Carolina. RBC Center, 1989, $154 million, $134 million public money.

Chicago. United Center, 1999, $175 million, $30 million public money.

Columbus. Nationwide Arena, 2000, $175 million, all private money.

Denver. Pepsi Center, 1999, $180 million, $4.5 million public.

Detroit. Joe Louis Arena, 1979, $57 million, all public money.

Dallas. American Airlines Center, 1994, $380 million, $155 million public money.

Edmonton. Rexall Place, 1974, $69.7 million, all public money.

Florida. BankAtlantic Center, 1998, $212 million, $184.7 million public.

Long Island. Nassau Coliseum, 1972, $28 million, all public.

Los Angeles. Staples Center 1999, $400 million, $70.5 million public.

Manhattan. Madison Square Garden 1968 (renovated 1990), $200 million, all private.

Montreal. Bell Centre, 1996, $400 million, all private.

Nashville. Sommet Center, 1996, $144 million, all public.

Newark. Prudential Center, 2007, $403 million million, with $218 million in public funds and $195 mlillion private.

Ottawa. Scotiabank Place, 1996, Scotiabank Place, $146 million, private.

Philadelphia. The Wachovia Center, 1996, $217.5 million, $32 million public.

Phoenix. Jobbing.com Arena, 2003, $225 million, $180 million public.

Pittsburgh. Mellon Arena, 1967, $22 million, all public. To be replaced by the Consol Energy Center, 2010, $321 million, with $15 million a year from government for 30 years, $4.2 million a year from the Penguins.

The Penguins and the government each also put up $15.5 million to start, reports the PittsburghTribute-Review.

St. Louis. Scottrade Center, 1994, $170 million, $34.5 million public.

St. Paul. Xcel Energy Center, 2000, $130 million, $95 million in public funds.

San Jose. HP Pavilion, 1993, $162.5 million, $132.5 public.

Tampa. 1996, St. Pete Times Forum, $139 million, $124 million public funds.

Toronto. Air Canada Centre, 1999, $174.9 million, all private.

Washington. Verizon Center, 1997, $260 million, $60 million in public funds.

Vancouver. General Motors Place, 1995, $116.5 million, all private

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Just think if they would have done this prior to pissing away 12 million dollars on the Indy, 70 million dollars on the projected remediation and relocation expenses in closing the ECCA, voting to not have scheduled ETS bus service to the international airport, spending 100 million more than they had to on the 23 ave. interchange, building a 100 million dollar bus maintenance barn with no public input and participating in a closed door secret back room deal with EPCOR to sell off Edmonton's most profitable asset, the generation portion of Epcor.

Not allowing democratic votes on key major life altering decisions the ECCA ( Thought we won that twice ) and the new arena which Mandel says there will be no public plebiscite allowed on this issue.

Never in the history of Edmonton civic politics have so few done so much irrevocable long term damage to so many in such a short period of time.

The Edmonton Tax mules can't take much more.
Cost of living increases as per stats Canada over the last few years 1.5%.
Property tax increases by this tax and spend council over 10%.

Please vote this fall.

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Edmonton logic:

88 Million on Alberta art Gallery funded mostly through Federal, Provincial and City governments. With little to null economic impact back on the city of Edmonton, other than the construction contractors that built the eye sore.

People cheer in the streets.

For 162 million more a massive entertainment and gaming structure that can revitalize a depressed core and attract top tier entertainment and sporting events to Edmonton. Countless jobs and revenue will be created for people and increase revenue for surrounding business.

People grab their pitch forks and jeer the billionaire who is actually trying to help his home town.

As a Calgarian I will be jealous if it happens, but am pretty confident it will get screwed up somewhere along the line with all the people complaining.

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This isn't a put down to my fellow Edmontonians, but we are a big city with a small town ideals. And there are alot of us that want to keep it that way.

Granted something like the new arena proposal doesn't come to Edmonton every day. Edmonton is accustomed to losing businesses to our southern neighbour Calgary. So understandably when some Tycoon wants to introduce a little anarchy to our expactations, we get up and arms and make him Darth Vadar of Edmonton.

Okay, I honestly don't know all the facts about this issue, and like you I have no reason to trust Mr. Katz past his word. Is Katz some savior of Edmonton or is he an opportunistic evil genius keeping us all hostage? You tell me.

BUT putting emotions aside let's look at the facts. One, Edmonton Oilers are a small market team losing money every year to a league that probably wants to relocate our team anyways. Two, Oilers are to Edmonton as Jam is to bread. Three, no body ventures to down town unless they have a doctors appointment, or on their way to Capital Ex or any other major events for that matter.

Four, we think going to the movie theater is culture, watching the Oilers play at chain restaurants entertainment, and west Edmonton mall the ninth wonder of the world.

Five, we live to work, so that on the weekend we can get drunk, sleep and do it again next week. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

And six,
We would rather spend thousands of our dollars every year travelling to Mexico or Las Vegas in order to escape a city that really has nothing more to offer than the bare bones that sustains a city.

I don't know but sometimes I think adding a little salt for a fee might just be what we need even though it is apparently not what we want!

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HAHAH ! !


I prefer my arena food uninspected
August 4, 2010 - 11:11pm
Jonn Kmech, Editor-in-Chief
Faye Campbell

With all the talk about a new stadium in Edmonton, attention has shifted away from the current Oilers abode. A study released last week by CBC found that Rexall Place had 24 health code violations written up for their food vendors since the beginning of 2009. While this isn’t as bad as some of the U.S. stadiums recently investigated by a recent ESPN Outside the Lines report on stadium food safety across North America, it’s still raised concerns. Undercooked burgers were being served, bacon and chicken fingers were being stored at room temperature, and wieners were found thawing in a pot of water.

While inspectors said that people can continue eating at Rexall, I think it’s absolutely deplorable — deplorable that such a report could possibly tarnish the upstanding reputation of chitty stadium food everywhere and force venues to clean up their act. At arenas, I expect to eat overpriced, undercooked, slimy food that’s probably been shoved down the trousers of a mid-50s balding man in a stained apron. It’s part of the sporting experience, and I’ll be damned if any food safety reports take that away from me.

There’s a certain level of putridity that the viewing public is willing to accept when they eat arena food that a few inconsequential “health code violations” can’t hope to erase. The food is already succulently greasy enough that it drips down your chin when you bite into it — who cares if that grease might have previously been strained through a dishrag?

This isn’t the Kentucky Derby, people. Nobody expects foie gras with their Coke at a hockey game — unless of course the duck fell into the nacho cheese vat. Did you ever consider why fans “never go back” after buying their peanuts and crackerjacks? To criticize arena vendors for upholding the tradition of professional sporting stadiums selling expensive deep-fried bullchit to customers is an insult to every finger that’s found its way into the fry vat, every pretzel that’s been lathered in teenage spittle, and every burger that’s resulted in a horrific case of Montezuma’s Revenge. I’ll never forget that weekend.

If there’s any better argument about why we don’t need a new arena in Edmonton, I can’t think of one. A brand new stadium would feature a bunch of fancy hand sanitizers, cleaning standards, and stainless steel countertops that are free of the normal residues that give arena food that certain je ne sais quoi. If Daryl Katz wants my support for a downtown arena, any proposal that he gives to city council should include a plan for how he’s going to deliver low-grade semi-edible “food” products to all of his paying customers so that they can have the proper experience for their tax dollars.

As well, if Katz would just stand in front of council, pull out a Rexall Place burger, and eat it, I’m sure he’d convince most people of his commitment to this city. Sure, there’s already plenty of wieners in the Katz Group that require a serious grilling, but I won’t support their plan until they can promise that the wieners to be served downtown have already been placed in water to thaw, ready to be consumed in 2014 if all goes according to schedule.

But before we get ahead of ourselves, there’s still plenty of improvements that can be made at Rexall. It’ll require a lot of blood, sweat, tears, and elbow grease. But until all of those elements can cover the popcorn of Rexall patrons without scrutiny, our proud heritage of nauseating arena food in this city will forever be in peril.
 

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I'm all for a new arena...maybe its not a great idea to be funded by the city but after seeing everywhere else they waste taxpayer money I figure why not throw some cash on a new arena that that the majority of the city will at one point and time actually use.
 

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I will agree it's one of the best ways to waste taxpayer money, and they do 100x dumber things with money. But it sure would be nice to stop wasting it, although I don't see it happening.....

I still hate katz though....
 

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Your view is skewed. Your biggest argument for not going ahead with the arena is that EVERYONE will want the roads fixed. This isn't true. NOT EVERYONE in Edmonton drives, NOT EVERYONE drives on the chitty roads, and NOT ALL roads in Edmonton suck. Yes, it's true that many of them need a little TLC, but do go to a northern Alberta town or city that doens't need some degree of road work. We are not blessed with a long road construction season - this is why when you make a trip of any length around the province during the summer you are likely to run into road construction at least once.

Your next argument is that you rarely attend Rexall Place. Is this because you don't like hockey? Because you don't like concerts? Because you like to stay home? Because you don't like to be elbow to elbow with 18 thousand other fans? Because you don't like crowds in the concourse? Because you can't afford it? There are many reasons that one won't use the exisiting facitlity. But for the nearly 18 thousand people who pack those stands for EVERY game, win or lose. Or every concert, good or bad. Or every other event held there, whatever it may be. We deem it to be worth our time, money and effort to get there.

I read an article yesterday which showed the attendance by fans over the last almost 20 years. In the last 5 years, an average of 690,257.8 fans attended Oiler's games each season. (New Edmonton Arena) I haven't managed to find a statistic for how many people attend Rexall Place for other events such as concerts, other sporting events and miscellaneous events. That is nearly 700 thousand people per year- garaunteed, to show up at whatever venue is built for their team. Do you know how much money 700 people spend on nights out? How can this not benefit the downtown? Everytime we go to a game, my husband and I drive 5 hours, go for dinner, have a few drinks, go to the game, pay for parking, usually have more drinks at the game, and snack food, not to mention 50/50 tickets etc. If by some grace of God we both got off work early, we would go shopping in the City Center mall. And I know for a fact that we are not the only ones who travel to go to games. If the new arena were to go ahead, it would have everything we needed all in one area. Instead of having to go down to St Albert Trail to eat dinner at the Keg, we could get away with dinner somewhere around the complex. Instead of paying for parking, we could park at an LRT terminal and walk around at the arena. Instead of playing the parking cluster f@#* game at the end of every event, we would just get on the LRT and have a much easier time getting out of the city.

Think of what that would do for the whole area? It would increase LRT ridership, as there is very little parking downtown - but reduce the awful traffic nightmares on Gretzky and 118. It would bring in more money to the downtown businesses, who are getting a market they may have never seen otherwise. It would benefit the restaurants in the area, as not everyone is going to want to eat at the restaurants in the complex. It would benefit the people who would be employed to build the complex, it would benefit the people employed to work at the complex, in the hotel, restaurants and casino.

Everyone is whining now about LENDING tax dollars to get this project off and running. What about in the 70's when Rexall was originally built?? Who funded that project?



OR what about this little stat

(Door not quite shut on provincial aid)

Now from my fan perspective.
I LOVE going to hockey games, I LOVE going to concerts, I LOVE going to other events.

What I would like to see is a new arena for the events held. Nicer seats, more Gold and Silver seats. More room in the concourse. More stuff to see in the concourse during intermissions. More variety in food offered. More bars like the club downstairs. (Maybe even a clean food violation record ... :rolleyes: ())
I won't be able to make any games this year, unfortunately. I was hoping to be able to squeeze in the home opener before baby comes, but as I was saying about lack of room on the concourse, I would be afraid to catch a stray elbow, have people constantly bumping into me and josling baby around. If there was more room in the concourse area, this would not be a problem!

Now for my Devil's Advocate opinion...
How can you guys call yourselves the City of Champions, yes, they've had a few basement years, but if the city wants to continue with that tag line, I think they should SUPPORT THEIR TEAMS! But hey, that's just me. The Oiler's have a legacy, and not one that should be shuffled under the carpet, and left to decay just because half of city council is on the board for the Northlands. The building is insufficient and has been for years - hence the substantial renovations over the past few years.

you obviously can see how over time things can cost more. INFLATION. How is a team that only won 27 games last year suppose to fill the seats of a newer bigger rink. Towards the end of last season you could get tickets 2 for one. why should federal money help pay for the oilers new rink. Why should someone who lives in Yellowknife or Brandon or Moose Jaw help pay for your new ice. If a team wants a new building it should be built from the owners and the city not someone who lives 3000km away and could care less how comfuy the seats are in the lower bowl.

Im just saying.
 

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with the exception of calgary, all canadian new canadian rinks have been built with private money. keep in mind the saddle dome was built for the olympics in 83.
 
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