My experience with the Tesla Model 3

[skegpro]

How are you doing in the -30?

http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/tesla-model-3-owners-vent-about-polar-vortex-affecting-cars-1.1208279

 

[gotboost]

How are you doing in the -30?

http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/tesla-model-3-owners-vent-about-polar-vortex-affecting-cars-1.1208279

HAHA I just seen this on the news I was going to ask the same thing

 

[jhurkot]

-25 this morning. The worst part is driving without the regenerative braking. I think the model 3 does a lot better than the volt in these temperatures.

 

[Mike270412]

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[skegpro]

https://www.revelstokereview.com/ne...ut-electric-car-range-over-40-per-cent-study/

 

[LennyR]

https://www.revelstokereview.com/ne...ut-electric-car-range-over-40-per-cent-study/

Well I for one don’t get it . Buying one of these living in Canada or anywhere with similar winters makes about as much sense as having a rag top for every day driving. The compromises and nuisance factor just don’t seem to be anywhere near worth it to me. Plus I really dont think it’s gonna change mother nature’s plan for the normal climate change patterns.
Power to those who are into it , but I see it as a pure novelty item .

 

[jhurkot]

What is the range decrease on a gasoline vehicle that has to idle for 15-20min prior to every trip?

75kwh battery is the energy equivalent of 8.6L of gas. So 300km in the freezing cold doing everything wrong is still pretty good.

 

[KatMan]

so its 40% less at -6???


tesla disputes that it decreases at higher temps, but no comment on lower temps.

its a dirty little "not so much" secret to alot.

 

[acesup800]

What is the range decrease on a gasoline vehicle that has to idle for 15-20min prior to every trip?

75kwh battery is the energy equivalent of 8.6L of gas. So 300km in the freezing cold doing everything wrong is still pretty good.

Lol, vehicles don't need to idle 15-20min every trip. If it is really cold, plug it in, idle for a few minutes and just take it easy for a bit.

 

[ABMax24]

Lol, vehicles don't need to idle 15-20min every trip. If it is really cold, plug it in, idle for a few minutes and just take it easy for a bit.

They don't need to, but how many people in today's society are content getting in a cold vehicle? If you want a warm vehicle in -30 you are idling for at least 15 minutes.

But I think the point of the original post was missed, even when a Tesla is as inefficient as possible it is still multiple times more efficient than the best gasoline or diesel engine.

 

[Ronaha]

They don't need to, but how many people in today's society are content getting in a cold vehicle? If you want a warm vehicle in -30 you are idling for at least 15 minutes.

But I think the point of the original post was missed, even when a Tesla is as inefficient as possible it is still multiple times more efficient than the best gasoline or diesel engine.

It still took tons of pollution to make it, and pollution to charge it..... Once the power bills Notley is hiding till 2021 come in it's going to be crazy.

 

[ABMax24]

It still took tons of pollution to make it, and pollution to charge it..... Once the power bills Notley is hiding till 2021 come in it's going to be crazy.

I've burnt 21,000 liters of diesel in my deleted F350 in the last 5 years, no one seems to care about that, yet every time the electric car topic comes up someone has to point out it took energy to create it, pretty sure that applies to every vehicle ever made.

Also most people don't understand that the Alberta power market is based on supply and demand, if the price of power skyrockets many companies will step in and build power plants to take advantage of the high prices, eventually lowering the cost of electricity.

The current price of electricity would also have to quadruple to have the same cost per kilometer as gasoline.

 

[Stompin Tom]

What is the range decrease on a gasoline vehicle that has to idle for 15-20min prior to every trip?

75kwh battery is the energy equivalent of 8.6L of gas. So 300km in the freezing cold doing everything wrong is still pretty good.

There is a HUGE difference. The gas powered vehicle can be refueled in seconds, lasts multiple times longer. If its minus 20 outside and you hit the ditch, do you trust your electric vehicle to keep you warm for an undetermined amount of time, or do you trust your gas powered vehicle to?

2nd, the range of a gas vehicle is dramatically longer, a 40% decrease in an electric vehicles range can be life threatening in a winter climate.

 

[Stompin Tom]

I've burnt 21,000 liters of diesel in my deleted F350 in the last 5 years, no one seems to care about that, yet every time the electric car topic comes up someone has to point out it took energy to create it, pretty sure that applies to every vehicle ever made.

Also most people don't understand that the Alberta power market is based on supply and demand, if the price of power skyrockets many companies will step in and build power plants to take advantage of the high prices, eventually lowering the cost of electricity.

The current price of electricity would also have to quadruple to have the same cost per kilometer as gasoline.

first, dont be surprised if the cost of electricity quadruples in the next 10 years. 2nd, your statement about companies building power plants will drive down the cost of electricity his hugely naive. 3rd, the reason people bring up the statement about energy to build it is because the electric car enthusiasts rant about how efficient they are. Having your cake and eating it to.

 

[ABMax24]

first, dont be surprised if the cost of electricity quadruples in the next 10 years. 2nd, your statement about companies building power plants will drive down the cost of electricity his hugely naive. 3rd, the reason people bring up the statement about energy to build it is because the electric car enthusiasts rant about how efficient they are. Having your cake and eating it to.

A. If the price of electricity quadruples it'll be because of a huge carbon tax or a sharp increase in the price of fossil fuels, the price of gasoline or diesel would also go up accordingly.

B. It is not naive to think that businesses in a free market economy would invest money into an industry where a return on investment would be realized. Have you ever wondered why huge sums of money are invested in oil companies and numerous oil production facilities are built when the price of oil goes up? Did you also notice that in 2014 the price of oil dropped because so many oil production facilities were built that supply outstripped demand?

C. It's also an invalid argument. Over the average lifetime of a car the electric version still produces less emissions than a gasoline version, even if the electric was powered by electricity sourced solely from coal power plants.

 

[Ronaha]

I would consider a small commuter car for working in town but I can score a beater for $1000 instead of whatever the electric ones cost..... I could fuel it forever, saving my own planet pocket book lol

 

[KatMan]

A. If the price of electricity quadruples it'll be because of a huge carbon tax or a sharp increase in the price of fossil fuels, the price of gasoline or diesel would also go up accordingly.

B. It is not naive to think that businesses in a free market economy would invest money into an industry where a return on investment would be realized. Have you ever wondered why huge sums of money are invested in oil companies and numerous oil production facilities are built when the price of oil goes up? Did you also notice that in 2014 the price of oil dropped because so many oil production facilities were built that supply outstripped demand?

C. It's also an invalid argument. Over the average lifetime of a car the electric version still produces less emissions than a gasoline version, even if the electric was powered by electricity sourced solely from coal power plants.

dude,

where can i get some of that chit u bin one hittin?

no seriously,

pull your head out. you are either trying to justify a stupid move of buying an electric car in alberta, or you feel its your social obligation to tout the virtues of electric vs fossil fuels, which, right now, is a loosing battle.

 

[Stompin Tom]

A. If the price of electricity quadruples it'll be because of a huge carbon tax or a sharp increase in the price of fossil fuels, the price of gasoline or diesel would also go up accordingly.

B. It is not naive to think that businesses in a free market economy would invest money into an industry where a return on investment would be realized. Have you ever wondered why huge sums of money are invested in oil companies and numerous oil production facilities are built when the price of oil goes up? Did you also notice that in 2014 the price of oil dropped because so many oil production facilities were built that supply outstripped demand?

C. It's also an invalid argument. Over the average lifetime of a car the electric version still produces less emissions than a gasoline version, even if the electric was powered by electricity sourced solely from coal power plants.

you keep living the dream.

 

[jhurkot]

so its 40% less at -6???


tesla disputes that it decreases at higher temps, but no comment on lower temps.

its a dirty little "not so much" secret to alot.

No...

at 0 to -10 degrees I'm near that 190-200Wh/km consumption.
at -30 degrees and starting with a cold battery that wasn't plugged in at night about 250Wh/km

These are average numbers for a 44.6km trip.

150Wh/km is rated range (75000Watt hour battery divided by 150Wh/km gives you 500km).

 

[jhurkot]

There is a HUGE difference. The gas powered vehicle can be refueled in seconds, lasts multiple times longer. If its minus 20 outside and you hit the ditch, do you trust your electric vehicle to keep you warm for an undetermined amount of time, or do you trust your gas powered vehicle to?

2nd, the range of a gas vehicle is dramatically longer, a 40% decrease in an electric vehicles range can be life threatening in a winter climate.

On a full charge I have 100 hours of heated seat or 40 hours running the cabin heater at a low setting. How long does a gas vehicle stay warm for? The model 3 is the highest scoring vehicle ever in crash tests as well.