"Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near future"

[tmo1620]

"Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

Harmon Valley....

it's a shame that the hard work and dedication of a few can be ruined by the attitudes of those such as tmo1620. tick tock

Get real, i don't ride areas that are protected, i don't ride on peoples land, i don't go out of my way to wreck stuff on purpose, i don't ride on roads or do anything illegal, I ride trails out in the bush way away from anyone that I have been riding for as long as i can remember, there is mud, water holes, hills, dry trails, the odd creek crossing etc. Im not ruining areas so really what have I done wrong...... Nothing at all. Im not out riding some heavily travelled quading area that you all seem to ride and a thousand others do as well, 95% of the time I'm out i don't even see any other quaders or anyone for that matter, just because the rally's and areas you ride got shut down doesn't mean it was because of someone like me, give it a rest doo gooders

 

[catinthehat]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Striking a reasonable balance will take energy for sure. Hope that energy comes together sooner than later.

Coming soon to another Province near(or around(?)) you:
from another post on S&M:
" Mud bogging banned in bc
Does anyone have any details on this ban on crown land? are we supposed stick to the trails only, and where do we draw the line?"

BC has started to charge people under the Environmental Act, this gives them the power to impose fines up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on the level of " environmental degradation caused " It's unlikely a mud bogger will see fines that high but still gives them the power they need to try and protect the land base.
Use your toys responsibly and think about what your Grandchildren will be left with not just what you want to do.

 

[GYMBRAT]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Fk it, im going back to the horse and pony show!!!!!!

 

[teeroy]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

What a joke, Im not gonna change anything about where or when or how I ride my big green mud machine, Im not hurting nothing or nobody while Im doing it, been doing it my while life so tough $hit

Get real, i don't ride areas that are protected, i don't ride on peoples land, i don't go out of my way to wreck stuff on purpose, i don't ride on roads or do anything illegal, I ride trails out in the bush way away from anyone that I have been riding for as long as i can remember, there is mud, water holes, hills, dry trails, the odd creek crossing etc. Im not ruining areas so really what have I done wrong...... Nothing at all. Im not out riding some heavily travelled quading area that you all seem to ride and a thousand others do as well, 95% of the time I'm out i don't even see any other quaders or anyone for that matter, just because the rally's and areas you ride got shut down doesn't mean it was because of someone like me, give it a rest doo gooders

so why wouldn't you explain it like this the first time instead of being a dick? your first reply sounds like a fawking 4 year old child

 

[morerpmfred]

"Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

All a person gas to do is look what happened in the ghost and waiporous areas a few years ago. The legal trail access is about 1% of what it was. They SRD looked at every trail and anything where it was wet or continually wet or where dirty water could run down hill into a fish bearing stream or where muddy quads/jeeps/trucks/biked crossed a stream, now a closed trail. Any thing to do with riparean vegitation closed.
With phase three of ssrp about to be implemented we will be losing trail access. Eventually these regional plans will be implemented in all crown land in Alberta.
All a person has to do is look at all the videos posted on previous threads on this site. Yes I do enjoy the mud, but in asrd eyes those trails are not sustainable.

 

[kbrunlees]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

So I was thinking that if there were areas allocated for mud use, if SRD would even allow such a thing. Then perhaps we need to change the attitudes of all those who are getting the more aggressive tires that are tearing up the landscape. Oh I can feel the testosterone flowing now, how dare I even broach the subject! We can all close our eyes and say that no one is going to tell you what to do. bullch!t! If SRD continues to shut down area because your brains are stuck up your butt then where are you going to go?? Policing ourselves is a bit of a stretch and we know it. However if areas were deemed lets go to town on the mud and other areas are deemed tread lightly or you will be shot( just Kidding) would that not placate most people. Or is the unreasonable urge to destroy something too ingrained to overcome with common sense? The prevailing attitudes of the seeming 4 year olds seems to be " no one is going to tell you what to do". Works great in a playground, but not in the real world. If we are to keep being able to explore all the great trails, we are going to have to come up with a reasonable solution. If all you want to do is cause trouble by riding and destroying protected lands then eventually it will come to a head and no one will be able to ride because of selfish attitudes.

 

[somethingnuw]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

That response right here is whats going to shut down Alberta. ESRD has all the money in the world to enforce rules but they have none to enhance riding areas. Look what they did in the Bighorn.
Its time to rethink what we can do in the crown land people. Unnessary destruction to the wetlands will close off Alberta. Minimize your impact don`t maximize your impact on the ground.

don't get me wrong i don't believe in unnessary destruction of wetlands... but if you really want to make a change the only way i see it is limit tire size and engine size... if we all drove around on 500's or less there was a lot less impact back then... have restricted creek crossing but to say your going to ban "mud bogging" what is that.. I haven't seen a trail in Northern Alberta where you have a choice. And every year the wholes get bigger. I have a new 700 grizzly on 27 inch tires i chose the easy road over the deep wholes cause I know someone in a 800 or 1000 xmr has gouged it so deep i can't go through... im a cheap prick and i like taking care of my hard earned things... i don`t seek out mud i don't go looking for mud off the trails or turn creeks into my version of a trail... I like to use my quad to get me somewhere or hunt... I find it very wrong when the government doesn`t give a rats ass about it`s natural resources then tells me cause someone wants to rip up muskeg that i can`t ride there... I have never brooken a law (except driving infraction) in my life but this will be a first...

This isn`t meant to start a race war but as a white hunter my hunting opportunity is limited now thanks to the stupid supreme court of Canada 600 000 metis have full status rights as indians... so i am predicting my rights to be in the bush and hunt will soon be severly restricted as there will be 600 000 more people who don`t need to follow laws and limits... right now i am made as hell at the govt and if they limit my atv now... what the heck do i have left to do that i enjoy. I may as well move to bc with Willy and roll a big fat one and hug a tree. So i have that choice or i can wave my middle finger and hope i dont get caught...i guess i can still go catch and release fishing... im no fishermen though...

Maybe i don`t understand what the law states... what the heck do they mean by mud bogging! Can someone clarify that

Its BS! You know self policing is never going to work... maybe its time we all got back on dirt bikes again...

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Here's something.... Pay to ride parks, there in the US and there are a couple small ones already, there's more on the way, keep wrecking areas and don't get involved and that's all there will be.

 

[magnet]

"Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

Already a few in Alberta. Never been to one but heard good things about the one by Breton I think there is even a thread about it on here somewhere in the graveyard

 

[rzrgade]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Snow and moisture challenged paths.
Mud justs sounds ssoooo wet & dirty .....
From now on i will only ride on SMC paths,except for above average precipatation
Days. Then i will watch old utube mud porn....

 

[Sledderglen]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Some good comments here peeps. Some riders get it some dont. We need to minimize our impact as much as we can. Numbers are killing us also. One time only a few quads were to go down a trail across a creek and thru some muskeg. Now there are 30 quads using the same trail. how does the land handle this extra use? We are limited to what we can do to help minimize the impact also. You can`t install a homemade bridge (liability) to cross a small creek,can`t even repair a trail with some equipment (liability) can`t reroute a trail around a soft area. so as much as we want to help we have roadblocks against us. Best way is to softly self police. Threads like this may not change some but if it makes a few take a second look before the attempt to rip it up this may work.
Join a local ATV club or start a local ATV club. Become involved in a group of riders that are willing to make things better. Like the group that built those bridges on the Nordegg Trail. Everything helps. Would also be nice if the government had a dedicated division in the government that would deal with trails. No division wants them.
To start with we can do a few things differently. Stream crossing impact needs to be less. Mudholes are to be avoided best you can lets not on purpose make them worse and we need to get more involved in maintaining the trails that are there already.

Start small little changes are a start, they can grow from there.

 

[drew562]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Part of the problem is atv rally's every other weekend. The Internet also doesn't help. Full maps with GPS coordinates to spots only a few rode. They show lots of people places they would never have gone on quads. And as others have said pressure is 10 fold. Everyone has a quad now. If/when the land protection act comes into effect it's going to be a sad day. The only plus is the ch!t ton of money I will save on camping and local sledding. Time to buy a 500 hp river boat. The last bit of nature by motor sports will be the rivers

 

[whitegold]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

So I was thinking that if there were areas allocated for mud use, if SRD would even allow such a thing. Then perhaps we need to change the attitudes of all those who are getting the more aggressive tires that are tearing up the landscape. Oh I can feel the testosterone flowing now, how dare I even broach the subject! We can all close our eyes and say that no one is going to tell you what to do. bullch!t! If SRD continues to shut down area because your brains are stuck up your butt then where are you going to go?? Policing ourselves is a bit of a stretch and we know it. However if areas were deemed lets go to town on the mud and other areas are deemed tread lightly or you will be shot( just Kidding) would that not placate most people. Or is the unreasonable urge to destroy something too ingrained to overcome with common sense? The prevailing attitudes of the seeming 4 year olds seems to be " no one is going to tell you what to do". Works great in a playground, but not in the real world. If we are to keep being able to explore all the great trails, we are going to have to come up with a reasonable solution. If all you want to do is cause trouble by riding and destroying protected lands then eventually it will come to a head and no one will be able to ride because of selfish attitudes.

This is exactly what we are try to do in the Smithers area! We have just completed the summer RAMP ( recreation access management plan ) and in the RAMP there was consensus on an Intensive Motorized Area, which is designed for mud bogging. All the user groups saw the benefit of having such an area for people to go and `rip it up`!! The document has had local gov`t support and is now been sent to Victoria for there stamp of approval. I think this is the first motorized area of it`s kind in BC so we`ll see how it goes.....

 

[Rneddel]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

Not picking any sides, but dont people enjoy hitting those skeg pits as opposed to going around?

 

[tmo1620]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

I wouldn't of snorkeled my bike and put huge tires on if I didnt........ Good luck going around mud holes and crossings where I ride. Its either go through or go back the way you came. People just need to stop flocking to a select few number of places to ride their quads and maybe take the time to find a less ridden area or just go explore. To go to a place where 100 other quads have been that week sounds like a fricken nightmare to me, I dont need to be riding with a bunch of azzhats around me as that just sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Ill go ride in an area one week and not go back for a month and there would of MAYBE been a single group of guys that have gone through the same area since. If everyone spread out there would be less of an impact on everything and everywhere there is a path or trail. Its the lazyness of people that shows when they just continue to go to the same area week after week chewing deeper and deeper into the earth because it the easiest thing to do.

Not picking any sides, but dont people enjoy hitting those skeg pits as opposed to going around?

 

[teeroy]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

I wouldn't of snorkeled my bike and put huge tires on if I didnt........ Good luck going around mud holes and crossings where I ride. Its either go through or go back the way you came. People just need to stop flocking to a select few number of places to ride their quads and maybe take the time to find a less ridden area or just go explore. To go to a place where 100 other quads have been that week sounds like a fricken nightmare to me, I dont need to be riding with a bunch of azzhats around me as that just sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Ill go ride in an area one week and not go back for a month and there would of MAYBE been a single group of guys that have gone through the same area since. If everyone spread out there would be less of an impact on everything and everywhere there is a path or trail. Its the lazyness of people that shows when they just continue to go to the same area week after week chewing deeper and deeper into the earth because it the easiest thing to do.

I think the problem is that farther south they don't have the options we do north of Edmonton, but the resulting laws are going to affect all of us if they try and pass this crown land mud bogging law. we certainly need clarification on mud bogging as they see it....the amount of area up here accessible by quad is far too great for them to patrol for any kind of enforcement.

 

[TylerG]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

I think the problem is that farther south they don't have the options we do north of Edmonton, but the resulting laws are going to affect all of us if they try and pass this crown land mud bogging law. we certainly need clarification on mud bogging as they see it....the amount of area up here accessible by quad is far too great for them to patrol for any kind of enforcement.

Upper & Lower Peace Regions are on the map to be looked at like the Lower Athabasca Regional and the South Saskatchewan Regional were..... as is the North Saskatchewan.

 

[teeroy]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

Upper & Lower Peace Regions are on the map to be looked at like the Lower Athabasca Regional and the South Saskatchewan Regional were..... as is the North Saskatchewan.

......and this is brought on by the actions in the southern part of our province where most of the complaining takes place. too many people, and not enough room for everyone to enjoy it the way they want. the main concern around these parts is the river valley closest to town where the hikers frequent because it's close for them. our biggest problem up here is SRD claiming areas sensitive due to animal habitat such as caribou and grizzly bears and wanting to limit or ban OHV traffic. the mud quads are the biggest concern, trappers not being able to access their areas in the summer and fall due to the giant holes created by guys out for a weekend thrash session. the trappers are permitted to build simple bridges for creek crossings but they are being destroyed by recreational riders. there are thousands of miles of cutlines up here that people never see or travel unless they are on quads or sleds.

 

[TylerG]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

......and this is brought on by the actions in the southern part of our province where most of the complaining takes place. too many people, and not enough room for everyone to enjoy it the way they want. the main concern around these parts is the river valley closest to town where the hikers frequent because it's close for them. our biggest problem up here is SRD claiming areas sensitive due to animal habitat such as caribou and grizzly bears and wanting to limit or ban OHV traffic. the mud quads are the biggest concern, trappers not being able to access their areas in the summer and fall due to the giant holes created by guys out for a weekend thrash session. the trappers are permitted to build simple bridges for creek crossings but they are being destroyed by recreational riders. there are thousands of miles of cutlines up here that people never see or travel unless they are on quads or sleds.

absolutely Troy you are correct, don't get too worried though. Just keep your eyes open for when they start investigating and get people to their meetings.

I have family up there, and I'm doing my best to get them involved with all this as well. One of my cousins just bought 160 acres in the Peace Hills somewhere.....

 

[lilduke]

Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near fut

Way to much pressure, go out west on a long weekend and it looks like an episode of trailer park boys... Sad to say I agree with SRD. It isnt sustainable.
I built a 30k truggy and dont use it. The 4x4 club used to do clean ups after may long and hual out Burnt cars,couches,BBQ's,trailer awnings and just about any other kinda garbage you can imagine...

People have NO F#CKING RESPECT, and wonder why we are getting chased off crown land. I know most people here wouldnt do that kinda thing, but so many idiots out there do.

-take home what you bring out!
-the river or steams isnt your quads personal car wash!

Trails out west are muddy and mud would be pretty hard to avoid but when you come to a wide open skag field and there is tracks going every direction thats BS.

Bypasses are unstainable,, trail gets too hard fix it,, winch threw it,,, dont go around it tho.


Do what you wanna do acctually,, in 5 or 10years when all the crown land is shut down to ATV's all the idiots can stay in the city where they belong...