M7000 Turbo?

[LBZ]

Anyone have an M7000 1059cc on boost around here? Sure don't hear of any, or I have been looking in the wrong area's LOL! I figured there would be more seeing as they are virtually the same as a Viper - as much as Yammy guys don't want to hear that.:d

If there are any whose kits y'all running and how are they working out? Also does the Cat use the radiator like the Viper or just a tunnel cooler? Never seen an M7000 in person.

 

[1100]

I think a lot of the reason is the 7000 runs ac clutching instead of yamaha clutching, that is enough reason to sway me to the yammi. Can't have a fourstroke with out boost.

 

[Lund]

I'am afraid it does LBZ, it uses a radiator and fan assembly and a front bulk head cooler. Same set up as the Viper, not surprising for using a Yamaha motor with Yamaha style cooling system.
I had already gone down that route with some hope. No luck, sad but true.

 

[LBZ]

I think a lot of the reason is the 7000 runs ac clutching instead of yamaha clutching, that is enough reason to sway me to the yammi. Can't have a fourstroke with out boost.

New 2016 uses Team Clutching so maybe it's slightly better than Yamaha now.

Also curious about the Cat ecm and mapping. Wondering if it works better than Yamaha's or not when coupled with different turbo controllers. I know in stock form the Cat makes less HP than the Viper due to the differences in the mapping and ecm control.

 

[tex78]

New 2016 uses Team Clutching so maybe it's slightly better than Yamaha now.

Also curious about the Cat ecm and mapping. Wondering if it works better than Yamaha's or not when coupled with different turbo controllers. I know in stock form the Cat makes less HP than the Viper due to the differences in the mapping and ecm control.

I heard kitty used team clutching to bandage burning belts ect


The yami clutching is way better stock to stock

 

[LBZ]

I heard kitty used team clutching to bandage burning belts ect


The yami clutching is way better stock to stock

Compared to the old cat ones sure. But very few have any seat time on the new Team set up so it's too early to tell. Word on the street though is that it will be better than Yamaha's.

 

[Lund]

Dale if a 4 stroke is where your heart is set, i'ed be looking at the Cat M9000, in the long run it would be a cheaper turbo build and just as good as the Yamaha.
The Suzuki motor's are solid and will holdup and compare to the Yamaha.
Suzuki is Japanese bud, like Yamaha, their quality is of a different planet. I have had several Suzuki outboard's, currently have one on my boat for a kicker and motorcycles. I have own numerous Arctic Cat sled's powered by Suzuki and they were all solid motor's.
I would trust a Suzuki over them 2 other non Jap. POS sled motors.

 

[0neoldfart]

Re: Yamaha turbo build vs. M9000 build: I would have to agree with Lund. For the price difference, you can put a few bucks in the Cat turbo and have a lighter sled then the Viper, with the same performance and reliability. Hell, a holdover 14 or 15 with a bit of time & $$$ can be a rocket for less then a new crate 2016 - depends on your budget. Evolution Powersports makes stage kits that are turn key reliable and offer more performance then most guys can ride. Get ahold of JustBoostIt on the forum - he can give you the low down on what would work within your budget.
My 2013 M1100T has been boosted from day one with a Big Chute turbo kit, and I've never even pulled a cord, let alone blown a belt (but I did beef up the driveline to handle the extra torque and horsepower). I ride a mix of boondocking and hillclimbing, and it is literally a turn key sled. I did all of the work myself (ticketed mechanic). PM me if you've any questions / concerns.

 

[LBZ]

Re: Yamaha turbo build vs. M9000 build: I would have to agree with Lund. For the price difference, you can put a few bucks in the Cat turbo and have a lighter sled then the Viper, with the same performance and reliability. Hell, a holdover 14 or 15 with a bit of time & $$$ can be a rocket for less then a new crate 2016 - depends on your budget. Evolution Powersports makes stage kits that are turn key reliable and offer more performance then most guys can ride. Get ahold of JustBoostIt on the forum - he can give you the low down on what would work within your budget.
My 2013 M1100T has been boosted from day one with a Big Chute turbo kit, and I've never even pulled a cord, let alone blown a belt (but I did beef up the driveline to handle the extra torque and horsepower). I ride a mix of boondocking and hillclimbing, and it is literally a turn key sled. I did all of the work myself (ticketed mechanic). PM me if you've any questions / concerns.

I'm not a fan of the 1100T so never really thought about buying one.
Personally just from riding with the Nytro's and 1100T's I feel yamaha has a better sounding, better weight balanced, better torque/power curve and more reliable engine/clutching package than Cat has. I realize your experience is different as far as the reliability goes, but just going by the feel of the room it's not necessarily the norm. Price difference with an MPI (personal opinions of the MPI vs Boost it aside and considering a stock 1100T and MPI Viper are probably on par with each other) on a Viper is only about $800 more so it's not that big of a gap. $800 won't buy enough parts to make the Cat that much lighter IMO plus I feel I would need to upgrade the drivetrain as you did to make it work eating up that difference in price.

That said however I feel that at the end of Yamaha's 5 year plan they will be releasing their own chassis and hopefully with a higher hp NA 4 stroke than they have now and maybe even their own 2 stroke that is comparable to the others currently on the market. At least it would be in their best interest's to do so. Maybe a guy should wait to invest in a 4 stroke to see if this happens I dunno.

I originally asked about the M7000 because I hadn't heard much about anyone doing these up the same as the Viper so was curious if there was any advantages to going this route. Price wise there does not seem to be one. For the most part it seems, the biggest influence in going either route is do you want a Yamaha motor with or without factory warranty and colour preference. Rest of the package is the same from what I see.

Thanks for the input folks!

 

[Lund]

Dale i've been down this road with 4 stroke build's, i can assure you that your not going to build a descent Viper for much under $20k, unless you strictly do a turbo ONLY, though lots are just happy with that. In my book's Viper needs more then just a turbo mod.
I have been currently looking in to another build and to do a proper mountain build with the Viper your going to be in to it for at least $25k, minimum. Depending on track length and preferences, it can run you even higher.
The sled needs a radiator delete and custom cooler's, this is a huge down fall for the Viper, don't let sales people and Yamaha blooded people BS you, you know me i'm not loyal to any brand but bash all of them when i feel they are putting out a BS product. The cooling upgrade will run you minimum $1200, IF you doit YOUR SELF. If you don't much closer to $2,000.
YAYAYA...lots say you don't need too, but lots aint me. Turbo's alone don't make a sled.
The Cat build advantage is you don't have to do a radiator delete, the sled it self is better balanced because of this. I can put in my garage a 2015 M9000 with an installed 240hp kit on pump gas, running a 163x3", plus maintain ONE year factory warranty, for $18,000 taxes in.
That leave me with alot of extra cash do other thing's.
Though i have never had any issue with my Nytro for warranty claims, i do know Yamaha will not warranty their sled's engine with a turbo that make's real power. So unless your happy with 190, a 240 setup is out.

Anyhow, that's is my educated guess from spending my time and experience checking this out for my next build.
BTW, it wasn't that long ago my Nytro had no problem's out performing and pounding on the Cat turbo 4strokes in just about everything, but time has changed, the new Cat 4strokes in their current chassi might just be the best 4stroke turbo sled on the market today.

 

[LBZ]

I honestly probably would be happy with just a 180 or 190 hp turbo kit and a KISS coupler outside of the usual add-ons that every sled gets. And I will admit the last turbo Cat I rode with was a '12 so maybe things have improved since then.

I agree on the radiator thing. I feel it is a ridiculous thing to have. I understand they are trying to possibly get the public to believe tunnel ice is the worst thing for weight, but honestly does it weigh more than a radiator and fan? I doubt it. Plus I would rather have the weight in the back to offset the heavier equipment up front with a 4s. And track wise I likely would still run the 2.5" track as the amount of bluebird handlebar deep days I have had in the last 3 years I could count on one hand.

Lots of thinking and decisions to be made. Only thing I know for sure is I am not snowchecking so got time to decide which way to go.

 

[0neoldfart]

Either way (with boost), you have an impressive machine on the snow. I won't deny that a Yamaha triple sounds incredible, either. On the Suzuki 1100T, there are many aftermarket vendors to chose from - some work great, others not so much. There are hp numbers claimed by Boondocker, Bikeman, Speedwerx, D&D, EVO... you get the picture. I don't think you'd go wrong with either, but to get the most out of either, it will cost some $$$, and either you will need an eye for detail, or take it to a competent tech to have it completed. Doing your homework is key - I spoke to a dealer with the factory Yamaha kit installed on a Viper, and it really wasn't all that - basically comparable to a stock 1100T...

 

[Lund]

Personally i now look at it this way, there use to be 4 snowmobile builder's, now there is only 3 and one that supplies snowmobile.
The Viper in reality is a Cat, other then the engine and clutches with very little minor differences...its a Cat. Just a different model.
To me the most important aspect to a great sled design is it's foundation, the chassi. Next the power plant and the 1049 is awesome on boost but so is the 1100, imo an equal.
The cooling system of the Yamaha decal sled/AKA M7000 gets trumped more as a trail sled IMO. BTW the seat is crap too on these Vipers imo, big and ugly. hahaha
I really hope Yamaha figures their stuff out, either gets back in the game or gets out. The Nytro imo is the last of Yamaha's great sled designs.

 

[SS/RS]

Hey guys I run a boosted m7000 650 miles this winter. No issues. Runs great.

 

[ttpowersports]

ran the viper 180 turbo this yrs...runs very well, nice balance comparible to a m8000 handling ... had several Arctic Cat Turbo 1100/9000 with speed werx kit.... little heavier "mo power" same money...depends what your after.... triple is smooth as silk, just cost more to get more hp than a stock cat turbo...

Terry

 

[fc8464]

Just curious, what is the problem with the Yami cooling? Is it just the weight issue in the front?

 

[higdon3]

Anyone running a boost it kit on one of these ? Thinking about trying one out next year.


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[BDF#900]

SaltyWalt has run an EVO kit on his 7000 for two years now.
Fun sled to ride
https://youtu.be/RrjPAxNY1J4
Thats out the back of the glacier at Clemina