Low boost entry level kit?

[NM]

We have been kicking around the idea of building a lower cost non intercooled kit to sell as an option to the cheaper American turbo kits. I know plenty of people want them, but our concern is that people buy with them with the intention of running low boost, then put a boost controller on and crank them up to one up their buddy.

We wouldn't use a bunch of cheap offshore parts like some of the other kits, but just wanted to get some feedback if this is something that people would want from us.
It would be a kit that we could ship and customers could install themselves in a couple light days
We are thinking something around 5k cdn. And would have a Garrett turbo.
Tha

 

[kovs]

you might have a hard time keeping up with orders for the 2 different kits!!!
4-8lbs of boost probably appeals to alot of people who arent full blown mtn riders and ride some flat land and few mtn trips a yr.
Id prob be feeling the burn in my back pocket to turn a "want" into a "have got"

 

[pistonbroke800]

Would it be something a guy could use as a starting point and if you wanted to run more boost you could buy stuff from you to upgrade the kit? 5G is a good chunk of change but i would be willing to drop that if i knew i could use that as a starting point and build my way up with your stuff and not have some bastardized kit like you see lots of guys ending up with when trying to "better" their american kits.

 

[wiffler79]

if they were for doo's too id been interested

 

[NM]

Would it be something a guy could use as a starting point and if you wanted to run more boost you could buy stuff from you to upgrade the kit? 5G is a good chunk of change but i would be willing to drop that if i knew i could use that as a starting point and build my way up with your stuff and not have some bastardized kit like you see lots of guys ending up with when trying to "better" their american kits.

The intention would be to offer turbo and water to air intercooler upgrades. They would be bolt on items.
Other options would be electronic boost control, urethane motor mounts, aluminum exhaust donuts, bigger exhaust, headlight delete with cold air intake and led light. All of which are currently standard equipment in our current kit.
This would probably be a next season thing, as we are working hard just to stay ahead now.
We figured because we were selling so many upgrades to the other American kits out there, we might as well grab a piece of the market. The kit would still have to be up to our standards though.
We are going to build one for a friend's girlfriend and see how it runs.

 

[pistonbroke800]

Thanks Neil, I really like the idea of being able to work your way up to the "Cadillac" set up. Im sure it will be popular with others too. You seem to be the front runner in the turbo world right now. I think thats great for us sledders in western canada.

 

[Kyle91rs]

I'd like to see something like this. Set up on pump gas, 190-200hp, something reliable for a guy who's first getting into turbos, and still have plenty of power to have fun in the mountains. Any way you can data log stats to see if anybody did mess with the boost??

 

[NM]

I'd like to see something like this. Set up on pump gas, 190-200hp, something reliable for a guy who's first getting into turbos, and still have plenty of power to have fun in the mountains. Any way you can data log stats to see if anybody did mess with the boost??

There are certain functions that we can set up to data log, but they would have to reset each time the sled restarts. If people cranked them up it would be there deal anyway. My concern is that with no intercooler and a smaller turbo the intake air temps can sky rocket in seconds and this promotes detonation and can also kill the reeds. If the boost is kept low then less chance of this happening.

 

[mach123]

I would also be in on a 6-8lb boost kit for sure next yr

 

[Kyle91rs]

There are certain functions that we can set up to data log, but they would have to reset each time the sled restarts. If people cranked them up it would be there deal anyway. My concern is that with no intercooler and a smaller turbo the intake air temps can sky rocket in seconds and this promotes detonation and can also kill the reeds. If the boost is kept low then less chance of this happening.

Maybe venting could be promoted in this kit where it needs it the most? Maybe a wrapped stock pipe on exchange for a customers unwrapped stock pipe to keep underhood temps down. Just throwing out some ideas. I think it could be possible. Just have to plan out your intake air options well enough.

There's no way you can't monitor the boost levels on the XIC for like say, the last five start ups? Maybe not even. Could be something u could implement on your current kit as well. If something happens, pops a motor or anything to make the sled not function right, chances are they're not gonna ride it a handful of times after it, they'd probably bring it right to you and that way u could tell if they've messed with the kit. Could end up saving you money in the long run I guess depending on whether or not if u have any type of warranty.

 

[SledMamma]

Pick me! Pick me!

Low boost would be perfect I don't want ridiculous boost or to one up other people, just want more ponies for my Poo

 

[CatAttack900]

I can' t wait for my boost it turbo kit, hopefully it lives up to all the expectations.. (Hey Neil how is the installs coming along?)

 

[Rotax_Kid]

Hey NM,

You're idea is good. I've worked with quite a few Doo 1200's now in both low and high boost apps. Some of the things I would do if I were building a low boost kit..

- Make fueling really simple. Most guys who would want this kit want a plug and play application. Something like Rapid Bike is too intense for some people. Make the fuel box simple to setup with minimal tuning/tweeking. If a customer wants to upgrad elater, give them the option, but simplicity is key here IMO.

- Including clutching or atleast a starting point. You're market would be guys who want a little more. This market includes alot of non tuners.

- Size the turbo big enough to allow some flexibility for a bit more boost. One 1200 kit I am familiat with uses a tiny 2554. Guys are tripping over themselves trying to make that turbo work into double digit boost when they would probably be further ahead to go to something like a 2871. Unfortunately they are land locked with that turbo, but it served the purpose and intent of the kit.

You would probably be best off to make these kits cookie cutter. Likely save you some tuning headaches later as I would suspect a large portion of the market here is plug and play guys. Too many variables lead to to too many tuning changes.

Just my .02 from what I've seen in a different app.

Be giving you a call when I start my next 1200 mid year to see if you can help me with some parts.

Good Luck,

RK

 

[K45]

Hey NM,

You're idea is good. I've worked with quite a few Doo 1200's now in both low and high boost apps. Some of the things I would do if I were building a low boost kit..

- Make fueling really simple. Most guys who would want this kit want a plug and play application. Something like Rapid Bike is too intense for some people. Make the fuel box simple to setup with minimal tuning/tweeking. If a customer wants to upgrad elater, give them the option, but simplicity is key here IMO.

- Including clutching or atleast a starting point. You're market would be guys who want a little more. This market includes alot of non tuners.

- Size the turbo big enough to allow some flexibility for a bit more boost. One 1200 kit I am familiat with uses a tiny 2554. Guys are tripping over themselves trying to make that turbo work into double digit boost when they would probably be further ahead to go to something like a 2871. Unfortunately they are land locked with that turbo, but it served the purpose and intent of the kit.

You would probably be best off to make these kits cookie cutter. Likely save you some tuning headaches later as I would suspect a large portion of the market here is plug and play guys. Too many variables lead to to too many tuning changes.

Just my .02 from what I've seen in a different app.

Be giving you a call when I start my next 1200 mid year to see if you can help me with some parts.

Good Luck,

RK

Rapid Bike and Boost-It that would be awesome ! Maybe if someone really gets on NM,s bad side he would install a rapid bike for them JK.

 

[bigfish]

Hey NM,

You're idea is good. I've worked with quite a few Doo 1200's now in both low and high boost apps. Some of the things I would do if I were building a low boost kit..

- Make fueling really simple. Most guys who would want this kit want a plug and play application. Something like Rapid Bike is too intense for some people. Make the fuel box simple to setup with minimal tuning/tweeking. If a customer wants to upgrad elater, give them the option, but simplicity is key here IMO.

- Including clutching or atleast a starting point. You're market would be guys who want a little more. This market includes alot of non tuners.

- Size the turbo big enough to allow some flexibility for a bit more boost. One 1200 kit I am familiat with uses a tiny 2554. Guys are tripping over themselves trying to make that turbo work into double digit boost when they would probably be further ahead to go to something like a 2871. Unfortunately they are land locked with that turbo, but it served the purpose and intent of the kit.

You would probably be best off to make these kits cookie cutter. Likely save you some tuning headaches later as I would suspect a large portion of the market here is plug and play guys. Too many variables lead to to too many tuning changes.

Just my .02 from what I've seen in a different app.

Be giving you a call when I start my next 1200 mid year to see if you can help me with some parts.

Good Luck,

RK

boost it box is as simple as it gets & works amazing you dont need to touch the box unless you are very fussy about your a/fs being exact,they always stay very close to perfect.as for turbo iam sure neil will not use a undersized one,by low boost i think he is talking 4-6lbs of boost so a 2860 or a 2871 will work fine depending on your elevation with a 86 housing.most people think you need to run 12-14lbs of boost to make these things fast,neil runs 8lbs on his sled & its a beast it shocked me

 

[174mcx]

There's no way you can't monitor the boost levels on the XIC for like say, the last five start ups? Maybe not even. Could be something u could implement on your current kit as well. If something happens, pops a motor or anything to make the sled not function right, chances are they're not gonna ride it a handful of times after it, they'd probably bring it right to you and that way u could tell if they've messed with the kit. Could end up saving you money in the long run I guess depending on whether or not if u have any type of warranty.

I don't think anyone who makes aftermarket "kits" should warranty anything. Its really up to the user to understand the system.

 

[NM]

I don't think anyone who makes aftermarket "kits" should warranty anything. Its really up to the user to understand the system.

Yes that is true. If you are putting anything aftermarket on your motor then be prepared to deal with what can come of it.
Our 2011 Pro has 2 seasons of boost and the pistons looked perfect. The knock sensor on these sleds works extremely well.

We pretty much have our fuel system setup so you almost never touch it. Running without an intercooler would make it a bit tougher to tune, but we can add air temp correction to our mapping if we need to.

 

[NM]

I can' t wait for my boost it turbo kit, hopefully it lives up to all the expectations.. (Hey Neil how is the installs coming along?)

haha...installs are coming along nicely now and were are banging through 2 per week.

 

[neilsleder]

I would like something like what your talking about. I dint got the cash for huge amount of boost. I would like the lower boost so that my hp doesn't drop as much when I am in the mountains. I think this will be a good thing for average riders cause most people who have turbos can't ride them to there full potential. If you need a sled to test these on you can pm me! Lol

 

[bigfish]

haha...installs are coming along nicely now and were are banging through 2 per week.

you keep it up & you will have too start running 24 hr shifts