Lord give me strength... Sled Club Membership

[ferniesnow]

I bought mine through varda on be half of bcsf


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Out of all the clubs in BC, Curtis is the only one who has this set-up. That is a BCSF membership but it doesn't allow you to go across the province and sled for that one time fee. What is the cost of a daily/3 day/weekly/annual trail pass/grooming fee cost at VARDA?

 

[daddys girl]

So here comes one of those really dumb questions.

If there are so many problems with collecting fees, garbage every where,having to deal with government head aches why not just get rid of the clubs.

 

[Rbrduk]

No clubs = no grooming. No clubs = No cabins. Then you will have people bitching about grooming.

 

[daddys girl]

No clubs = no grooming. No clubs = No cabins. Then you will have people bitching about grooming.

True there would be no more grooming and no more cabins,so whats the down side.

 

[MOMMA]

True there would be no more grooming and no more cabins,so whats the down side.

No voice. Organized snowmobiling provides a voice for issues particularly land closure issues. Clubs are a great way to advocate for safety and stewardship, and promote safe riding. Clubs sign management agreements so snowmobilers can access riding areas. Clubs help to grow the sport. Daddy's girl do you snowmobile? If so, where do you ride primarily?

 

[catinthehat]

True there would be no more grooming and no more cabins,so whats the down side.

The biggest down side would be winding up with a government controlled sport similar to what the eastern provinces have.
If you are a sledder you won't want to lose the freedom to ride openly on crown land, not to mention the way the BC Government likes to charge for things.

 

[MOMMA]

Some things your local club, and Provincial representation does for you.

Advocates on your behalf with higher levels of government. Organizes events and ensures appropriate insurance coverage for events, networks out via media outreach important issues such as SPAWs and avalanche conditions, Provides a presence at events, contributes and supports organizations such as Avalanche Canada and the Easter Seals campaign, Hosts events such as Ladies rides, provides youth outreach, helps people find like minded riding buddies so they never ride alone. Clubs help to project a concrete number to governmental organizations to gauge what we contribute economically. If there are recalls for important equipment such as avalanche transceivers and Avalanche bags, your club will help to network this information out in a timely fashion. Clubs help grow the sport, which you as the consumer benefit by. More riders, more products, more competitive pricing.

 

[skegpro]

The biggest down side would be winding up with a government controlled sport similar to what the eastern provinces have.
If you are a sledder you won't want to lose the freedom to ride openly on crown land, not to mention the way the BC Government likes to charge for things.

Thats why we need to get creative to funnel funds towards the BCSF so they can fight for our right.

Need to think outside the box and current "agreements".

 

[MOMMA]

Clubs are a valuable resource for Search and Rescue teams across the province.

 

[Zacs Avy Crew]

So here comes one of those really dumb questions.

If there are so many problems with collecting fees, garbage every where, having to deal with government head aches why not just get rid of the clubs.

Not only would there be "no cabins or grooming" there would be no trails and no backcountry access at all. If the club members and BCSF members were not in place working with the government, sledding as you know it would be shut down by environmentalists.

The trails, backcountry, staging areas etc would all be shut down, completely, for whatever reason they could come up with at the time. Part of the problem is that in each club and in the BCSF and the ASA the same members are constantly going to meetings etc fighting for your rights as sledders and the other side is constantly changing people out. Also if the BCSF and the ASA have better club member numbers they have a stronger voice at the table.

Just buy a membership. We are selling ASA Memberships at our AST1 classes so if your coming to a class or field session I can hook you up!

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[frock]

Buy a membership at the local club that you usually ride at and if you travel elsewhere then buy a trail pass there, it's simple and you are supporting our system both financially and with numbers as well. Momma just keep doing what you do. I always look forward to your positive presence on here and there will always be the self centered people testing you.

 

[Bnorth]

I assume you are referring to the amount funding the BCSF is receiving?

I am sure I am gonna get flammed for this but I wanna bonk my head every year a new thread on this starts up because it doesn't make sense that nothing from a day use trail pass goes towards the BCSF.

Just tack on $2 to every pass rather than trying to herd the cats towards the $200 + season pass.

Or why can't you just buy a $30 BCSF membership? (Make it mandatory to buy trail pass)

This is getting to be more annoying than the F150 sled deck threads.

Signed,

A concerned end user.

Doesn't have to be a $200 pass, a number of the smaller clubs are $60 that's less than dinner and drinks at Zala's or the Caribou

Oh good, glad you brought that up as always.

Sounds like the agreement needs to be rewritten to allow money to be collected for stewardship.

Rules can change........

Rules can change if we are seen as a large enough user group for the government to cater to us, hence we need more club members.

So here comes one of those really dumb questions.

If there are so many problems with collecting fees, garbage every where,having to deal with government head aches why not just get rid of the clubs.

Without clubs we don't have any lobby with the government and the already stronger green and heli/cat ski lobbies would drive us out of even more area for either caribou closures or exclusive use tenures. Sledding would be reduced to a couple of low elevation trail loops.

 

[daddys girl]

Yes I ride momma,most of my riding I do in alberta at swan hills,but my family dose have property in B.C where we sled there.In swan hills we always go to the same place because no one else goes there.It is off the trail and a little hard to get to if you don't know how.No trail no riders no garbage no one knows we are there no one cares no problems.

In B.C there is a old road that can only be accessed by way of our property.20 miles of nice winding trail and untouched snow.Put a club trail there and the problems start.I,m not aginst clubs I,m just saying where ever you put a lot of people in one place there is going to be problems.

So if people just want to ride a safe trail then why not just buy land make a trail charge so much a day for use and do what the gov dose for revenue Write Tickets.

I,m not trying to fight with you momma I know things are different in B.C and maybe they are a good thing.Im just saying to many people in one place spells trouble.

 

[MOMMA]

Yes I ride momma,most of my riding I do in alberta at swan hills,but my family dose have property in B.C where we sled there.In swan hills we always go to the same place because no one else goes there.It is off the trail and a little hard to get to if you don't know how.No trail no riders no garbage no one knows we are there no one cares no problems.

In B.C there is a old road that can only be accessed by way of our property.20 miles of nice winding trail and untouched snow.Put a club trail there and the problems start.I,m not aginst clubs I,m just saying where ever you put a lot of people in one place there is going to be problems.

So if people just want to ride a safe trail then why not just buy land make a trail charge so much a day for use and do what the gov dose for revenue Write Tickets.

I,m not trying to fight with you momma I know things are different in B.C and maybe they are a good thing.Im just saying to many people in one place spells trouble.

I'm not interpreting your question as argumentative just trying to answer it so you can understand.
1. with organized trail systems we can help to monitor the trails, hopefully prevent garbage and hooliganism, and develop safe trail systems for multiple ages of riders. Snowmobiling really is a family sport. Safety is key, so with signage, and regular maintenance and grooming, many can enjoy these trails.
2. Most riding in BC happens on crown land. It is unrealistic to expect riders to enjoy the sport of snowmobiling going in circles on private land. Part of the beauty and excitement of snowmobiling is the adventure factor.
3. In order to maintain riding agreements for areas on crown land clubs must sign agreements not personal individuals.
4. We want to grow the sport, and we want to have areas for people to ride. If we don't the likely hood of them going to ride in areas that are closed, or perhaps even trespass onto private land will grow exponentially
5. Everyone wants untouched snow, that is why it is important to support clubs who can prevent closures, enabling the terrain to be much greater and the potential for freshies to be likely.
6. There already are a lot of people riding, so we have to create the infrastructure that promotes stewardship , safety and good behavior.