Land ownership along a border.

[ferniesnow]

I would like to know who "owns" the land in the "right-of-way" along a border. Who has the legal right to use that land?

Seems like a pretty simple question but I can't find a definitive answer through Google. Any experts here?

 

[catinthehat]

I would like to know who "owns" the land in the "right-of-way" along a border. Who has the legal right to use that land?

Seems like a pretty simple question but I can't find a definitive answer through Google. Any experts here?

Seeing as how a "border" is a definitive line, I would expect the legal property owner, be it private or public, would have right of use up to that line. IE: the Canada/US border has a wide swath cut the length of it so I would guess Canada would own one half and the US the other half.

 

[moyiesledhead]

But sometimes he just makes chit up!

 

[snopro]

I would like to know who "owns" the land in the "right-of-way" along a border. Who has the legal right to use that land?

Seems like a pretty simple question but I can't find a definitive answer through Google. Any experts here?

Any experts on snow and mud? Surely you jest? Lol

 

[ferniesnow]

But sometimes he just makes chit up!

Did someone pee in your cornflakes this morning?

This is a legitimate question Ken. I'm liking David's answer but before I divulge the nature of the question I will wait for some more answers.

 

[Stg2Suby]

Is there a "right of way"?

 

[moyiesledhead]

Did someone pee in your cornflakes this morning?

This is a legitimate question Ken. I'm liking David's answer but before I divulge the nature of the question I will wait for some more answers.

Jeez Doug, it's humour FFS! And.....I don't eat corn flakes.

 

[Dawizman]

Are you talking municipal, provincial, or national border?

Easy enough to pull up the map on Spin2, and see who owns what.

 

[ferniesnow]

Jeez Doug, it's humour FFS! And.....I don't eat corn flakes.

Just thought I'd see if you went to bed or not. Being retired you probably go to bed pretty early.

Anyways, no thought on the border right of way with you experience and wisdom?

 

[ferniesnow]

Are you talking municipal, provincial, or national border?

Easy enough to pull up the map on Spin2, and see who owns what.

Looked at that and that won't give me the information I am looking for. Thanks for that just the same.

 

[moyiesledhead]

Just thought I'd see if you went to bed or not. Being retired you probably go to bed pretty early.

Anyways, no thought on the border right of way with you experience and wisdom?

Nope. Stay up late and sleep in. :d

I have a similar picture of a border marker taken on top of a mountain south of Moyie. I can only assume the marker is on the border and each side of the cleared right of way belongs to the appropriate country.....but what do I know. Drank the odd beer there and peed on the US side though.

I find it interesting that on the Canadian side we log right up to the right of way, but on the American side they don't seem to do that.

 

[ferniesnow]

It is the International border that I am interested in. Who controls building/mining/construction/exploration permits on the Canadian side? Is it the Government of Canada or a Provincial Government? I am asking about the right-of-way. The private fences that Stg2Suby showed in the pictures don't count I don't think.

 

[ferniesnow]

Nope. Stay up late and sleep in. :d

I have a similar picture of a border marker taken on top of a mountain south of Moyie. I can only assume the marker is on the border and each side of the cleared right of way belongs to the appropriate country.....but what do I know. Drank the odd beer there and peed on the US side though.

I find it interesting that on the Canadian side we log right up to the right of way, but on the American side they don't seem to do that.

Yes, down in the Flathead the cut line (right-of-way) goes right up the hill but there was no logging down there then. We also crossed the border and went foe a nice ride down Frozen Lake not knowing the consequences. That was before 9-11 so they weren't as diligent as they are today.

 

[Stg2Suby]

random google searching info

https://www.th.gov.bc.ca/da/l3_special_circ.asp?print=true

Section 5 of the International Boundary Commission Act (Revised Statutes of Canada 1985, Chapter 1-16) provides that, except with the permission of the International Boundary Commission, no person shall construct, enlarge or place any work within three metres (ten feet) of the United States border.
The following constitutes an infraction under the Act:


erection of billboards or other structures within ten feet of the international boundary
reconstruction of a line building or other structure which has suffered destruction
additions to structures erected on the international boundary
interference with boundary monuments

 

[moyiesledhead]

Well that pretty much covers it.

 

[Rbrduk]

random google searching info

https://www.th.gov.bc.ca/da/l3_special_circ.asp?print=true

Section 5 of the International Boundary Commission Act (Revised Statutes of Canada 1985, Chapter 1-16) provides that, except with the permission of the International Boundary Commission, no person shall construct, enlarge or place any work within three metres (ten feet) of the United States border.
The following constitutes an infraction under the Act:


erection of billboards or other structures within ten feet of the international boundary
reconstruction of a line building or other structure which has suffered destruction
additions to structures erected on the international boundary
interference with boundary monuments

You said it before I did.
International Boundary Commission.

Worked for them one summer surveying in southern Quebec and New Hampshire. This was in the mid 90s.

 

[imdoo'n]

I would like to know who "owns" the land in the "right-of-way" along a border. Who has the legal right to use that land?

Seems like a pretty simple question but I can't find a definitive answer through Google. Any experts here?

are you planning to bring in illegals again, or just running some smoke'n materials over the line.

Johnny Cash had a tune out once " I walk the line" may help ya?

https://youtu.be/Ww0rm7sWRg8

 

[ferniesnow]

Thanks Stg2Suby. Here is where I was going with this strange idea.

Quebec has flatly stated that they would not let a pipeline pass through their province. I don't know where Energy East was going to go but it always rattles my hocks when a government gets their dander up, digs in their heels, and makes it difficult for other provinces or the country. Just like Hogan did with the Trans Mountain pipeline.

So, if one looks at the map along the St. Lawrence, it appears to me that the pipeline need not go through Quebec to reach New Brunswick. The pipeline could swing south of Ottawa, cross the St.Lawrence, and then follow the International Border to New Brunswick. A lot of what-ifs but it was a thought. Sure the Federal government would have to approve it, the International Boundary Commission, probably a few First Nations, and so on but sometimes one has to think outside the box. Maybe it has been thought about and it can't be done but who knows for sure.

I once had a cabin to build that was on Federal Crown Land and was in a First Nation controlled area. I wasn't given a hope in hell of getting permission to be able to get a permit to go ahead with the build. There is a nice little Emergency Shelter in the Rolling Hills called the Rolling Hills cabin, as well as, a new Wrangler's Cabin sitting on Federal Crown Land all because of asking and putting a plan forward.

 

[ferniesnow]

You said it before I did.
International Boundary Commission.

Worked for them one summer surveying in southern Quebec and New Hampshire. This was in the mid 90s.

Thanks Guy. You have first hand information. You said you worked for them but who's stuff were you surveying; private land owners, First Nations, or governments?

 

[Rbrduk]

Thanks Guy. You have first hand information. You said you worked for them but who's stuff were you surveying; private land owners, First Nations, or governments?

Was surveying for the commission, resurveying the border. The line is always being surveyed. Usually on a four year schedule for the area they are in. First two years are for assessment and clearing. Third year is replacement of any broken or missing monument (like the ones pictured above). Third and fourth year is actual survey of the line and replacing smaller monuments (brass caps)that are destroyed.

The slash is cut out to be a 20m sky line. And in southern Quebec, it follows the height of land. It is very rocky and mountainous terrain. Think of it as a more rocky foothills.