Im going to say it....

[S.W.A.T.]

Im sick and tired of "Indians" looking for a free hand out.

Yes I said it. Something needs to be done.

Don't get me wrong, I truely belive there is a difference between a "native-firstnaions" and a "Indian"
a Indian is a person who sits back and lives off the well being of OUR tax dollars only wanting more. Complaing of how the white man treated them so badly and BLAH BLAH BLAH, a native is someone willing to do get educated, get a job and contribute to sociaty in a functual action. If a native is unhappy they have the smarts to take a logical stand and voice a respectable logical educated argument. Its only been 400 years since the first "white man" came over. Get with the times and start contributing like most of us.


You LAZY WHITE people on welfare who are perfectly capable of working but choose not too are no exception. Get off your lazy butts and get a freaking job. There are many jobs out there you have no excuse. If you want lower tax's and higher education start paying like the rest of us.

Just my 2 cents

 

[S.W.A.T.]

This will probably get pulled but really I don't care. Im tired of me and my family being dictated by a bunch of under achieving good for nothing lazy people looking for a free hand out. I didn't do anything to you why should I pay for it????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Sorry if I offend and contributing "Natives" I know there are many of you out there.

Lazzy white people F@#$ off

 

[Polarblu]

You should pay some attention to people like Wab Kinew who as aboriginal man, a great rapper, and public voice in getting the real issues worked out. If more people could understand the poverty levels that is going on and how the money handed to bands are not used properly. A white guy handed millions of dollars without having to aswer to how its used will abuse it just as fast. You see an "indian" passed out the street is no different to your white buddy that passes out and pukes on your balcony. The difference is poverty and segregation and the change is slowed down be ignorant minded people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GlkuRCXdu5A

Maybe you can understand how this generation is trying to change. If not i feel sorry for you.
[h=1][/h]

 

[Cyle]

You should pay some attention to people like Wab Kinew who as aboriginal man, a great rapper, and public voice in getting the real issues worked out. If more people could understand the poverty levels that is going on and how the money handed to bands are not used properly. A white guy handed millions of dollars without having to aswer to how its used will abuse it just as fast. You see an "indian" passed out the street is no different to your white buddy that passes out and pukes on your balcony. The difference is poverty and segregation and the change is slowed down be ignorant minded people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GlkuRCXdu5A

Maybe you can understand how this generation is trying to change. If not i feel sorry for you.
[h=1][/h]

Cut off their funding. Give them the basic stuff to get started making it on their own, after that nothing. Either they will make it, or starve. Either way, it's a win-win for society.

Your generalization everyone would blow free money like that is laughable. A lot of people (even some natives) use it to start a great life and make something of themselves.

Lazy people always got an excuse!

 

[Polarblu]

Cut off their funding. Give them the basic stuff to get started making it on their own, after that nothing. Either they will make it, or starve. Either way, it's a win-win for society.

Your generalization everyone would blow free money like that is laughable. A lot of people (even some natives) use it to start a great life and make something of themselves.

Lazy people always got an excuse!

How do you feel about all the young people that were put into residential schools? If you would do some research you will find allot of really good reading on how that was the start of a whole lot a f@#$ up people. Then they had kids, didnt know how to teach them properly, because school was a dark time in their life. this has been passed on generation to generation. If you watch that video, you can see a strong person trying to make changes and i sure you wouldn't have to balls to call him lazy!!

 

[byronkentgraham]

..........holy fawk this thread started off rough and is gonna go down hill from here.

 

[snopro]

In before the lock..................

 

[poo88]

In before the lock..................

Yup lol

Sent from a phone likely at work

 

[Polarblu]

I am a strong believer that to get a welfare check you have to piss in a cup. But the racist pigeonholing is just dragging good people, who are actively trying to effectively change a problem that happened generations before they were alive. This generation can make a difference, by being strong and not accepting that someone can breach a contract that was written so long ago. I personally think that in the last few months allot has been.
Polar

 

[arff]

..........holy fawk this thread started off rough and is gonna go down hill from here.

You have 3 first names do collect 3 times too.

 

[adamg]

Polar, I'm not clear on who you are disagreeing with. It seems like you are arguing with SWAT, yet you two didn't say anything that is in disagreement.

As for me, I say that if you were born here after this land became the country of Canada (1867), then you are a Canadian, and that's all you are and everything you are at birth. From there it's what you do that determines everything. I just can't comprehend this concept that 'my great-great-great-great-great grandparent was born here, and yours wasn't, so we are fundamentally different throughout our lives.' It literally makes zero sense to me.

 

[JoHNI_T]

Polar, I'm not clear on who you are disagreeing with. It seems like you are arguing with SWAT, yet you two didn't say anything that is in disagreement.

As for me, I say that if you were born here after this land became the country of Canada (1867), then you are a Canadian, and that's all you are and everything you are at birth. From there it's what you do that determines everything. I just can't comprehend this concept that 'my great-great-great-great-great grandparent was born here, and yours wasn't, so we are fundamentally different throughout our lives.' It literally makes zero sense to me.

thats a great way to put it.......

 

[byronkentgraham]

You have 3 first names do collect 3 times too.

Nah I've got a real job. I don't get big paycheck, big benefits and a big retirement plan like you government workers.

 

[GYMBRAT]

maaaaaaaaaaah ssssssssssssssif, dish thread is bull sit anahow

 

[Polarblu]

Polar, I'm not clear on who you are disagreeing with. It seems like you are arguing with SWAT, yet you two didn't say anything that is in disagreement.

As for me, I say that if you were born here after this land became the country of Canada (1867), then you are a Canadian, and that's all you are and everything you are at birth. From there it's what you do that determines everything. I just can't comprehend this concept that 'my great-great-great-great-great grandparent was born here, and yours wasn't, so we are fundamentally different throughout our lives.' It literally makes zero sense to me.[/QUOTE
ok if i camped in your back yard and we signed an agreement for 20 bucks a day. And i didnt pay since 1867. would you be pissed off?
All treaty discussions are not about paying for the lies, or the segregation and abuse, that isnt the answer. Its about finding a middle line and the ignorance of people is causing it to not go forward as everyone wants to happen. This generation is over it, there are just some treaty issues to work out and i feel proud to be Canadian that we are working it out. In Northern BC the bands got big paychecks, this destroyed allot of people. Does anyone know why they got payed off? Directional drillers will understand. Just because i cant see where my goat is doesn't mean its not my goat!!

 

[Polarblu]

Polar, I'm not clear on who you are disagreeing with. It seems like you are arguing with SWAT, yet you two didn't say anything that is in disagreement.

As for me, I say that if you were born here after this land became the country of Canada (1867), then you are a Canadian, and that's all you are and everything you are at birth. From there it's what you do that determines everything. I just can't comprehend this concept that 'my great-great-great-great-great grandparent was born here, and yours wasn't, so we are fundamentally different throughout our lives.' It literally makes zero sense to me.

I will have to back off on my rant, and didnt mean to offend, but i do take offense to derogatory comments that are based more on the past than the future. Dont know how the original rant was triggered but if was because a road got closed down cause it was on burial ground then i have to agree with the people stopping it. If you drove over my grandfathers grave the fight would be on. You would feel the same.

 

[dzignr]

This is one of my pet peeves as well. All I hear about is how First Nations people want to preserve the way of their ancestors and the culture that goes along with that. Hey I am one to let the next person believe what ever they wish to believe. Where I draw my "peeve" is that if that is how they feel, then they can get back into a teepee and use bow and arrows to garner food and clothing instead of letting Safeway do it for them. I watch tv and see lots of modern conveniences, vehicles, toys and the list goes on on the reserves and in the homes. Problem is the "white" man lives in metropolitan centers where hospitals and schools were build to meet the demand, not the other way around. What I want, truly want, is an accounting of what it has cost taxpayers since ... oh ... 1900. Every single red-cent! They can start paying it all back from the casino monies and such. Once it has all been paid back, they we can have a dialog about how best to grow Canada into something other than a deficit position.

Time we had a vote to see who gets voted off the island.

 

[lloydguy]

"The government owes me and everyone that has even the smallest amount of my blood line in them."
That is a huge huge problem ,the way I see it.
When the government gives everysingle reserve in thiscountry 10's of millions of dollars and the people
that were put in charge to manage that money by their own people miss spend it ,that is not the "white man's" problem.
"I trashed my house and the the band wont build me a new one because they dont have any money"
Too bad in my books.and I'm sure alot of people feel the same way.
I agree with others that have said that we should all be Canadians,and that is that.Unless we are all treated the same
our problems are going to get bigger and bigger.

 

[go green]

Just let them own their land on the reserve that they currently occupy . Take their land and equally divided it between the band members and let them do what they want with it . ( sell it, develop it , burn it to the ground ,who cares its theirs ) It would not cost the tax payers anymore money because the " free money for just being a first nation Indian would end " They would then become a regular member of society and have to find there way through life just like every other Canadian . Many would sell the land to the government or oil companies but it would be a one time deal and you are on your own after that . There has to be a end game for the first nation people and a exit strategy for the Canadian Government ,this arrangement costs the tax payers 10 billion plus a year and will only get higher is something is not worked out .