Hst!!!

[jbb]

well i can see membership falling!!!

and it will be the smaller clubs that suffer the most! Better plan some good fund raiser events now!!!

 

[koby]

Well i can see membership falling!!!

I hope not JBB. Couple less beers on the trip. Least there is still the option to take at trip.

 

[Depsnolvr]

Well i can see membership falling!!!

A membership in VARDA is $20 and includes a membership in the Association of BC Snowmobile Clubs

Memberships and seasons passes can be separate

 

[Powder Puff]

thanks Curtis.

You might see all club membership and daily pass #`s drop and people start to ride the non managed areas more.

 

[Depsnolvr]

thanks Curtis.

You might see all club membership and daily pass #`s drop and people start to ride the non managed areas more.

not sure what you are saying PP ? Werent revys passes set at 20 last season?

What you say could be true, but as long as they are coming and supporting the three towns in our valley, its still positive and if we ever needed to adjust grooming operations to deal with it, so be it, but I hope it wont come to that and people will appreciate the extra expense this darn TAX is putting on us and the support that Clubs are providing to the CAC.

Down with the HST !

 

[jonniebud]

well b.c stands for Bring Cash to Buy Canabis:d cause god only knows if your not retired how else you gonna survive in the interior for its not vancouver and ya gotta pay that f**** hst

 

[PEAK SEEKER]

boring.....

 

[PEAK SEEKER]

Nevermind, re-read it, that sucks......

 

[jbb]

a membership in varda is $20 and includes a membership in the association of bc snowmobile clubs

memberships and seasons passes can be separate

i paid $150 for owlshead last yr and still paid on every other mtn i went to. I do support my club and the sport. But everytime i go it shouldnt be a $200 day. $20 for a trail pass? Well. Ic how many ppl are in the parking lots in the morning and sorry,but somebodys making money. I know groomers arent cheap to run or fix. But at these prices are getting outta hand.

 

[takethebounce]

So rather than sell a "trail pass" sell "raffle tickets" and one lucky person at the end of the season wins a season pass next year. I don't believe you have any tax on a raffle?

Normally raffles run 4 months but can be extended to 12 months.


From the BC gaming site -

"Generally, a licence is issued for a single ticket raffle where tickets are sold and winning tickets drawn during a period of time not exceeding four months. A licence may be issued for up to a 12-month period, permitting a series of ticket raffles of the same type with similar selling periods, number of tickets and price of tickets.
Class A gaming event licences are for gaming events that could potentially generate more than $20,000 in gross revenue. For ticket raffles, the three categories are:
• Registered Raffle – when anticipated gross revenue is $250,000 or more. All licensees of registered ticket raffles must satisfy the branch’s registration requirements. The minimum requirement is registration of the person in charge of the event and of the person in charge of financial accountability for the event;
• Major Raffle – when anticipated gross revenue is $100,000 or more but less than $250,000; and
• Minor Raffle – when anticipated gross revenue is more than $20,000 but less than $100,000."


Anyhow, I dunno, sounded like a reasonable solution in my head

 

[ferniesnow]

This is all so confusing; fees, trail passes, membership, etc.

I've asked a couple of questions earlier and there were no answers posted. They were legitimate questions.

There was something about 5X the fee....what does that refer to?

Memberships in clubs is around the $75 mark with trail passes included (no charge to members for groomed trails).

Grooming fees or trail passes are in the $10-$20 range.

So my question.....what is the HST charged on? Membership, trail passes, or what?

 

[jbb]

This is all so confusing; fees, trail passes, membership, etc.

I've asked a couple of questions earlier and there were no answers posted. They were legitimate questions.

There was something about 5X the fee....what does that refer to?

Memberships in clubs is around the $75 mark with trail passes included (no charge to members for groomed trails).

Grooming fees or trail passes are in the $10-$20 range.

So my question.....what is the HST charged on? Membership, trail passes, or what?

probably both. i know if it is. i probably wont be buying a membership this yr. this constant pay pay pay stuff is getting outta hand.

 

[jbb]

doesnt say on the form.

 

[maxwell]

i paid $150 for owlshead last yr and still paid on every other mtn i went to. I do support my club and the sport. But everytime i go it shouldnt be a $200 day. $20 for a trail pass? Well. Ic how many ppl are in the parking lots in the morning and sorry,but somebodys making money. I know groomers arent cheap to run or fix. But at these prices are getting outta hand.

hey JBB can you direct me to the the little fairy that pays for lot plowing, insurances, safety programs, staffing, facility development and maintenance...etcetcetcetc.....

alot goes on behind the scenes to make this work. grooming is a portion of this 20$ pass.

for instance. area A gets 2 feet of fresh snow in the morning.

semi truck leaves town and takes one our to arrive and one our to return. @ 200$/hr trucking thats 400$ to start. now that loader and operator clears that parking lot for 4 hours at 150$ an hour. thats 600$. so far we are at 1000$ before anyone even hits the hill. usually there is a bobcat aswell assisting said loader. add another 400$ now we are up to 1400$ for this area A. the lot is cleared and the groomer is just coming down the trail. the trail was 25km long and took him 8 hours to groom. grooming at 200$ per hour that is 1600$. now we are at 3000$ and the sleds are rolling in!! someone is manning the toll booth and other support staff are uphill cleaning garbage and cutting firewood...replacing busted down signs...and monitoring the boundaries..cost....i dont know. this hill now needs to have 150 riders through it....sure on a busy day thats an acheivable number. but i have only included half the costs which are on location only. in my opinion on this busy day on the hill with fresh snow at 20$ per rider we are running in the red.

thanks

 

[Powder Puff]

Gov. has set the daily pass fee @$20.
H.S.T.is to be paid on each pass and $1 to the CAC. There is $3.40 right there out of a 20.
Clubs with over $50 g`s in membership revenue will also pay H.S.T even when a portion of a membership fee is given to the BCSf/ABC and grooming society`s.
I see that that the snowmobile fed. and assoc. will also pay H.S.T. on the monies we collect for them. Does that mean we will pay H.S.T. and then they pay again?
The 5x`s thing is gov. is mandating club`s pay their grooming society`s 5x a daily trail pass fee to be sustainable. No sure but it looks like this might be something the club and grooming societies could split. Grooming society`s to maintain the groomed trails and parking areas in the winter and the club maintains the trails in the summer, here we are responsible for slashing, culverts, bridges and cabins.
The latest news today is our club must register as a Corp (gov. does not recognize a Business number for a society) and file a HST return as well as a Corp tax return. There is however have a small itsy bitsy box on the corp tax return ( 149IL) that if we tick off, it will exempt us from having to pay the corp tax due.

As for the comment about "someone is making making money", that`s a joke.
Groomers are expensive to operate $200-$250 and hr. and parts and labour to repair them are expensive also. Next time you drive into a staging area maybe wonder how much it cost to remove the snow for the season. Here last yr. it was a $10,000 bill and we didn`t see a lot of snow at lower levels. Those porta potties you used cost $3,500 for the season and the list goes on.
If there ever is a profit it goes right back into the programs to make it better for all of us who enjoy snowmobiling.

jbb when you wrote "i probably wont be buying a membership this yr. this constant pay pay pay stuff is getting outta hand." that is exactly what I meant when I said "You might see all club membership and daily pass #`s drop and people start to ride the non managed areas more". Areas that are caribou and heli-ski tenure sensitive. Then watch more areas close to snowmobiling.
Section "57`s" (closed to motorized recreation areas) will get plastered around more often O-zone stickers here in Revy.

 

[jbb]

hey JBB can you direct me to the the little fairy that pays for lot plowing, insurances, safety programs, staffing, facility development and maintenance...etcetcetcetc.....

alot goes on behind the scenes to make this work. grooming is a portion of this 20$ pass.

for instance. area A gets 2 feet of fresh snow in the morning.

semi truck leaves town and takes one our to arrive and one our to return. @ 200$/hr trucking thats 400$ to start. now that loader and operator clears that parking lot for 4 hours at 150$ an hour. thats 600$. so far we are at 1000$ before anyone even hits the hill. usually there is a bobcat aswell assisting said loader. add another 400$ now we are up to 1400$ for this area A. the lot is cleared and the groomer is just coming down the trail. the trail was 25km long and took him 8 hours to groom. grooming at 200$ per hour that is 1600$. now we are at 3000$ and the sleds are rolling in!! someone is manning the toll booth and other support staff are uphill cleaning garbage and cutting firewood...replacing busted down signs...and monitoring the boundaries..cost....i dont know. this hill now needs to have 150 riders through it....sure on a busy day thats an acheivable number. but i have only included half the costs which are on location only. in my opinion on this busy day on the hill with fresh snow at 20$ per rider we are running in the red.

thanks

ok. it takes cash for stuff. true! but.... when 1000 sleds roll through revy on a weekend at 20bucks a head. thats 20000g buddy. and if it cost 1600 to groom a trail. im quiting my job to be a groomer operator in the winter. because they only pay 30 bucks an hr to run loader here at the mine.

 

[Powder Puff]

ok. it takes cash for stuff. true! but.... when 1000 sleds roll through revy on a weekend at 20bucks a head. thats 20000g buddy. and if it cost 1600 to groom a trail. im quiting my job to be a groomer operator in the winter. because they only pay 30 bucks an hr to run loader here at the mine.

a membership includes your daily trail pass fee for the season. Lots of those riders are members, we had over 600 of the happy souls last yr.
The ski hill here pays their operators $20 an hr. we are lucky to have a lot of guys on pension that operate for us and work on the machines who don`t want to make a lot of money they just do it because of their love of the sport and their involvement with the club, they make $15 an hr.
........oh and $20 g`s for fuel last season. Both of the mtns. that are groomed here in Revy are groomed 6 nights a wk. because of the number of riders. Don`t give up your job.

 

[jbb]

a membership includes your daily trail pass fee for the season. Lots of those riders are members, we had over 600 of the happy souls last yr.
The ski hill here pays their operators $20 an hr. we are lucky to have a lot of guys on pension that operate for us and work on the machines who don`t want to make a lot of money they just do it because of their love of the sport and their involvement with the club, they make $15 an hr.
........oh and $20 g`s for fuel last season. Both of the mtns. that are groomed here in Revy are groomed 6 nights a wk. because of the number of riders. Don`t give up your job.

thank you kathy. maxwell was the one saying 1600 to groom. and if you wanted to pay me that kinda money to groom it say hell ya. lol. let it be known that the revy club has the lowest membership rate of any of the clubs through out the okanagan-shuswap region!!

 

[maxwell]

thank you kathy. maxwell was the one saying 1600 to groom. and if you wanted to pay me that kinda money to groom it say hell ya. lol. let it be known that the revy club has the lowest membership rate of any of the clubs through out the okanagan-shuswap region!!

1600 to groom is 200 an hour x 8. would be more if i included the operator.

 

[jbb]

1600 to groom is 200 an hour x 8. would be more if i included the operator.

do you give them kisses with the bill maxwell? lol