Hey Maxwell!

[o zone guy]

LoL, the wife had me building some stuff around the house today. I'm on quarantine because I went to Angle Inlet in MN for a few days on a filming project, now I gotta stay home for 14 days. May I hope this covid crap tapers off......Thats a pretty funny pic, got me laughing right there!

jusT Thinking out loud LesTeR777...now that snow n mud and SnowTrax have made a CoNNeCTION.... it would be cool to see snowtrax cut out the middle man and bring the full SnowTraX platform DiRecT to SnoW n MuD i believe theres VaLue for all those involved.. example it was nice ta see the video ... but when the actual SnowTraX ambassadors cam on line and had a chat.. it brought the segment to a hole new LeVeL for both parties ...OVeR 10,000 views in 7 daYs WoW !!... I'm sure RKNiGHT111 can set some rules and assist LesTer777 and SnowTraX crew on how to load video and the ins and outs of how Snow n Mud works .... i believe this is a WiN WiN for all.. This is Grass rooTs and has many benefits for media platforms ,manufacture, consumer eTc. Snow n MuD and SnowTrax leTs expand this CoNNecTioN... CheeRS .. wooT !! wooT !! this FORMAT is a BoX OFFiCE HiT... ALoHa !!

 

[o zone guy]

The good old days were gnarly. But today’s sleds are unbelievable. Such a fun sport to be a part of. Lots of great memories to be made in the hills regardless of what brand you like.

whaT The !!... AL BuNDY was a Sledder... OMG !!! PeG would be Proud !! luV the Pics ,,, wooT !! wooT!!

 

[bobsledder]

Would that have been during the years skidoo's won pretty much every shootout and sled of the year award? Or 2018 when the summit beat the Axys RMK in a shootout?

Recently polaris has won alot. That's because in numerous categories they are building the best handling, most comfortable sleds that have motors with the best power characteristics. Not just my opinion... but that of our entire crew. The second another OEM builds a sled that provides a better overall riding experience, it will win everything.

I've said it many times, I don't care who builds it, I just want to ride the perfect snowmobile. Right now, polaris is closer than the rest. But with a little focus and investment, they all have the potential to do better.

Whatever, doesn't change my opinion. We all have our own.

 

[o zone guy]

Whatever, doesn't change my opinion. We all have our own.

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[MarkCos]

u guyz have all lost ur ways in the last 23 pages

 

[MarkCos]

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[o zone guy]

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[MarkCos]

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[Lester777]

Seems like most of the questions about the shootout video have been answered but I just wanted to chime in here and say that ive read all the comments. (21 pages worth). You all seem like great guys. Im usually the one at Snowtrax who takes the most crap because I do most of the shootouts. Whats interesting is that no matter what I do, im always biased, or know nothing, or dont know how to ride etc. This is because in a shootout, one brand always looses and anyone who owns that brand gets their panties in a knot and has to defend their purchase by attacking me. Ive got big shoulders and can take any criticism, but the personal attacks or name calling is just juvenile.
Like AJ, I can hold my own in the mountains. Ridden with the best and never once held them back or said I wouldnt go where they led me. Am I a full time mountain rider? No. I live in ontario. Id consider myself (as I think AJ would) to be an above average mountain rider.

Few things:
-I %100 understand that not EVERYONE rides below 7000 feet all the time. However, that number came from non biased industry sources who do the research. Im a firm believer in numbers. They dont lie. They simply are what they are.

-As has been reiterated. I DO know the skidoo makes a claimed 165 hp. In fact skidoos website clearly states that this was a dyno tested number under ideal conditions. Ive never seen a manufacturer make that claim.

-After racing snowcross for a decade, working with best engine builders and other performance gurus in the industry, one thing became very clear, very quickly. Weight affects how horsepower gets to the ground. Im a big guy. 6'1 235lbs. I also race mountain bikes. I have spend an embarrassing amount of money making my bike as light as possible. However, if I just ate a few less burgers and drank a few less beers, I could save WAY more weight off of ME and be faster... and it would actually SAVE me money. This translates to powersports as well. That sled has to carry YOU up the mountain as well as itself. So, If you put me on a Polaris and AJ on a turbo skidoo, the weight equation becomes far different. Which can often explain real world results being different for one group of riders to the next.

-I feel I need to address something I did in the this shootout that most probably didnt catch. Because Polaris doesnt make actual horsepower claims, I searched for dyno results from respected dyno operators. I then picked the LOWEST one I had found. Ive heard many say that the skidoo turbo makes more than 165 horsepower... ive also seen numerous dyno results that say the polaris makes as much as 174 horsepower. I think I was more than fair in how I did the math here.

-It seems like some of you think the point I was trying to make in the story was that the skidoo NEVER gains a power advantage. But that isnt what I said at all. The higher you climb, the more the turbo is going to benefit you. My point was that the playing field doesnt really become EVEN, after compensating for weight, untill around 6000-7000 feet. After this altitude the skidoo DOES have a power advantage and the higher you go, the more advantage it has (up to the point where the turbo stops compensating, at which time the advantage the skidoo has is maintained, but doesnt rise). My point about weight being the same at 1000 feet as it is at 7000 feet isnt incorrect in any way. And, its not wrong to point that out when your comparing to vehicles designed to do exactly the same thing.

-In regards to weight, let me ask you this. If you were on the side of a hill and someone put 2 rocks in front of you and said "push one of these up the hill". Would you pick the rock that weighted 50lbs more? No... why? Because it takes more effort to push the heavier rock. Lets say you were told the same thing, but there was 4 feet of fresh powder on the hill. Why would you choose the lighter rock? Im not trying to suggest, through this analogy, that the skidoo ISNT a great deep snow sled or a great climber. I know for a fact it is. But lets not ever try to suggest that it doesnt take more horsepower to push an extra 50lbs up a hill.

-I completely get brand loyalty. I love Scott bicycles. Its all I ride. Next bike will be a Scott. However, I understand that this makes me biased. Which means my opinion about what bike is good or bad isnt as valid as the the guys from GMBN who ride and test everything. I get this and therefore, dont bash other brands of bikes because I realize im not qualified to make bold statements about them not being any good. Have i ridden other bikes. Yes, lots of them. But I come back to my scott and feel right at home. To me, its the best. Ive read stories from MTB media that has said the Scott ISNT the best. Instead of getting hyped up and screaming that theyre wrong and know nothing about bikes, I simply accept that the opportunities their jobs afford them to ride everything under the sun means their view of my bike is probably more accurate than my sheltered view of it. If someone were to suggest my bike is junk, id be annoyed by that because I know its not. But I didnt ever say the skidoo was junk. Im not calling anyone out here. Im simply highlighting the reality of what AJ and I get to do that very few others get to do also. We are EXTREMELY blessed to have the jobs we have and we absolutely KNOW it and appreciate it. Which is why our opinions are never for sale.

-Finally, theres been alot of talk about one sled handling better or feeling better to ride. This is very reasonable point. However, my views on how one sled handles or feels isnt wrong because yours is different. Feel and handling are 2 things that are very subjective. I believe a great mountain rider can ride anything well. But if you ask them what feels better, they will know immediately. That same thing may not feel right at all to you. So, Disagreeing with our views on how something handles is reasonable. But saying were wrong about it isnt. Were not any more wrong than your right. Were just different. I can only tell you how a sled feels to me. I cant tell you how it will feel to you. If you find that my opinions arent in line with yours, im probably not the right reviewer to look to for advice on your next sled. Traditionally, AJ, Mark and I have had different opinions on what feels right to us individually. People have said they tend to connect with one of us over the others because our preference matches their preference. I think this is great.

I hope this is useful information in some way or at least explains a bit more about us, what we do and why we do it. Like you, were are all passionate snowmobilers... addicted really. We love this sport more than any other and ride every spare second we get. I think thats one way were all alike.

Just to be clear, I agree with all of this except for the weight numbers.......... I'm not that far off your 235 anymore lol

 

[niner]

I think we can all agree we want more shootouts. I would love to see a Alpha and a Mountain Max shootout....

 

[Lester777]

I think we can all agree we want more shootouts. I would love to see a Alpha and a Mountain Max shootout....

LoL Pull out the graphic scales.

 

[Pavmentsurfer]

Haha... you said it. Not me. Lol

**Luke**

 

[Pavmentsurfer]

I think we can all agree we want more shootouts. I would love to see a Alpha and a Mountain Max shootout....

I can do that right now for ya....


ITS A TIE... (applause and cheering and bouquets of flowers being brought forward)

Lol... in all seriousness though, I know there are subtle differences.

**Luke**

 

[Pavmentsurfer]

u guyz have all lost ur ways in the last 23 pages
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I love this... I think we need to repost this on the Snowtrax insta page.
Jokes aside, its absolutely true.

**Luke**

 

[Fatdaddy]

I think we can all agree we want more shootouts. I would love to see a Alpha and a Mountain Max shootout....

Doesn’t sound like Luke or Lester want to comment about the Alpha from what I’ve read. If there is a sanctioned event somewhere, plan a route without any side hills so I get there to watch.

 

[Lester777]

Doesn’t sound like Luke or Lester want to comment about the Alpha from what I’ve read. If there is a sanctioned event somewhere, plan a route without any side hills so I get there to watch.

Luke will be better to comment on the Alpha as he spent way more time on it than I have. He's been out with R&D quite a few times, man I wish Rob was still around.

 

[o zone guy]

Luke will be better to comment on the Alpha as he spent way more time on it than I have. He's been out with R&D quite a few times, man I wish Rob was still around.

LuKe , LesTeR777, PaVmenTSuRFeR I thought I just seen a recenT video from snowTrax about an arctic cat sled product, would it be possible for u to post it here so we could have a look at it ... Just a thought ... KooLBeaNs !!! Doesn't have to be a shoot out format even just a review ... This would be a RioT Ta see ... X Mark s the SPoT ... U goT This snowTrax ... Ya know ya wanna ... ThanKs snowTraxXx ... winkK !! winkKK !!! Start a new segment call it ShowDowN ShooT - OUT 2022 have all 4 manufactures go against each other wiT elimination rounds and then end up with the final 2 after all it's just about feeding the consumer with information ... Huh !!! Lol

 

[Lester777]

Doesn’t sound like Luke or Lester want to comment about the Alpha from what I’ve read. If there is a sanctioned event somewhere, plan a route without any side hills so I get there to watch.

I'll post one as I think Lukes out filming today. This was from 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNKGSD-p70&t=48s

Heres a second, not an Alpha MTN sled but well kinda a foothills sled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKaFcNlfi7s&t=37s

 

[o zone guy]

I'll post one as I think Lukes out filming today. This was from 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNKGSD-p70&t=48s

Heres a second, not an Alpha MTN sled but well kinda a foothills sled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKaFcNlfi7s&t=37s

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[Lester777]

aWeSoME PaWSoME , LesTer777 I'm not trying Ta be a pain in your BuTToxXx ... RanDY Swenson ( CLiMaxXx ) big BoSS, shooTeR with Yamaha and TeaM THuNDeRsTRUcK.. LoL is active on SnoW n MuD ... Would it be PoSSaBLE to posT the SnoWTraxXx video review of the YamaHa 2 sTroke mountain max randy is good guy and I think this is a good idea cause lots a sledders luv YamaHa and waNNa see snowTraxXx review Thanks LesTer ... YamaHa ReVs your HearT... Aha -maY !!! LesTer777 giVe them a chance ... Ya KnoW Ya waNNa... That s kinda fuNNy ... Hahaha ... As my buddy KrazZzY kanadian would saY ... Yeaaa BaBeeee !!!! KrazZzY KanaDiaN would be Proud !!! CHeeRs luv your music choices... also your at 11,225 views lets watch it explode... ya picked up 1000 views since this morning woW !!! go team go

Hey O Zone, yeah I can post that Yamaha one, did you want it here in this Thread? I rode with Randy and Brock a few years back in Revvy, he's a cool dude, I stood at the top of a few chutes he runs that made me question his sanity. Dude is a beast.