Hey Maxwell!

[Caper11]

If you prefer HP than why aren't you riding a Sidewinder, they will make both those sleds look silly if we are just taking about a straight up pull in 4 feet of fresh. So weight only matter if we compare it to 4 stroke weight, but no longer is important when comparing a turbo do to the lighter 2 strokes. Got it. Just trying to keep up gets hard with all these new Doolaid rules.

No doolaid here,
The Sidewinder is in a league of its own, and the conversion is about two strokes. But according to the so called math, the sidewinder will have less HP due to its weight, so why does the sidewinder and the turbo doo make other sleds look silly, are heavier sleds faster???

I wish I had footage of me blowing by stuck polaris sleds on a 4ft of fresh day. I dont think there is many turbo doo owners that have experienced different, even against a NA doo.
But I dont have any footage.
Im just not seeing the results of that review and Im calling it as I see it.

 

[snochuk]

This is because people only hear what they want. Pretty sure it said that the HP to weight compensation calculation based on 5lb/hp EQUATES to a sea level comparison starting point of 155 vs 168 hp. Meaning the fat ol' doo at 50lbs heavier gets a 10hp penalty. Meaning the 165 stated hp is actually 155hp when comparing apples to apples.

Hey, don't care either way, but they never said the doo only has a 155hp engine.

Then yes apparently I do have a hearing problem.
Ooops

 

[Chrisco]

Who the hell is AJ ?

 

[Lester777]

AJ, don’t take the negativity on this forum to heart. I’m sure all these negative attitudes are just a reflection of the keyboard warriors that are jealous you guys get to live the dream and ride for a living. I know I am envious of your job!! That being said I appreciate all the work you guys put into the reviews. I put a lot of value into the opinions expressed and have seen good reviews from all OEM’s. I have said for years if I have the skill set to put an etec in a polaris chasis it would be the ultimate sled. I wish we could pick what we like from each manufacturer and custom order a sled with those features. Since we can’t each individual just has to decide what is most important to them and just get out and ride instead of whining about someone else’s preference. Keep up the reviews coming as I’m sure there are many that appreciate it and even those that don’t are obviously still watching. Hope everyone at snow trax and supertrax has a good winter on the snow!

Thanks rmk600700, we appreciate the support. Snow here is looking good, just hoping it sticks around for a good long winters worth of fun. I'm glad there hasn't been any rain or warm temps, and hopefully they won't arrive till late in March. All the best to you as well, enjoy your winter in Alberta!

AJ

 

[Chrisco]

No doolaid here,
The Sidewinder is in a league of its own, and the conversion is about two strokes. But according to the so called math, the sidewinder will have less HP due to its weight, so why does the sidewinder and the turbo doo make other sleds look silly, are heavier sleds faster???

I wish I had footage of me blowing by stuck polaris sleds on a 4ft of fresh day. I dont think there is many turbo doo owners that have experienced different, even against a NA doo.
But I dont have any footage.
Im just not seeing the results of that review and Im calling it as I see it.

Well im gunna blow by every turbo DOO I see this weekend, come to the slaughter !!!

 

[Mcstuck87]

What I’m not understanding is them comparing the sleds. I find snowtrax to be biased that’s my opinion. But regardless. The keep talking about the 850t at sea level (and same with other people,) why? The sled is meant to maintain is hp up top. So take the damn sled up the fuggin mountain way up where it is designed for. Put the Polaris up there and load them up in some decent snow. That’s an actual comparison, not what snowtrax did. And if people want to buy a hp compensated sled via a turbo and ride it around at 4-5000 ft then fill your boots but its not going to benefit nearly as much. We are all discussing/arguing about two completely different sleds. Snowtrax was just retarded to make that video. Although they sure hyped the Polaris. I guess that was the goal in the end. Keep the hand that feeds them happy.

 

[niner]

Who the hell is AJ ?

Try to keep up Chrisco. I know it’s hard on your Polaris ....

 

[niner]

I plan on blowing by every turbo doo I see this weekend too....

 

[Lester777]

Sigh.... I dont know how you could even defend that review. You have damage control on all major forums.
Im all for a good review, and could actually care less on the outcome of one. But the math, and BS remarks associated with it that ended up in that review. Im not sure who your expected audience is, teenagers?

Reduce the weight? sure lighter is Nicer, but Id prefer the HP, and unfortunately your comparing a turbo price VS a NA price.
Lets get the sleds in 4 ft of powder, not hero snow I seen in that review and see how fast the lighter sled will go in that powder,

Of course we are comparing a NA price to a Turbo price lol, there's only one turbo and we said the 2 best sleds available. If you want to compare Turbo to turbo then lets take that $5k and put a Silber turbo on the Polaris, yeah it won't have factory warranty but it will have 200 HP from base to peak.

Damage control on all forums? lol. This is the first one I've even looked at, figured Id jump on and show that we are interested in responding.

I don't believe his numbers are all that off, when they are taken in the context he explained them in. Although I do realize I'm arguing with someone who is brand biased and is going to find something to go on about with anything that isn't glorification of their sled. Thats ok, it's what makes snowmobiling so much fun, lots of folks willing to go round for round and argue their points, just don't expect yours to look any less biased than you say ours are.

 

[rknight111]

Thanks for chiming in, tough to be the one answering all the questions. I’ll throw one out there too.

I’ll ask where did they get the 155 hp number for the 850? On the skidoo.

 

[niner]

Of course we are comparing a NA price to a Turbo price lol, there's only one turbo and we said the 2 best sleds available. If you want to compare Turbo to turbo then lets take that $5k and put a Silber turbo on the Polaris, yeah it won't have factory warranty but it will have 200 HP from base to peak.

Damage control on all forums? lol. This is the first one I've even looked at, figured Id jump on and show that we are interested in responding.

I don't believe his numbers are all that off, when they are taken in the context he explained them in. Although I do realize I'm arguing with someone who is brand biased and is going to find something to go on about with anything that isn't glorification of their sled. Thats ok, it's what makes snowmobiling so much fun, lots of folks willing to go round for round and argue their points, just don't expect yours to look any less biased than you say ours are.

https://youtu.be/8sVL4Cr1KVc

already been done. Turbo polaris is faster than the doo.

 

[Lester777]

Sorry I forgot to tag Ron in my response on this one. I don't use forums much, my apologies. This was from dgiles a little earlier in the thread, I figured I'd use his response.

"This is because people only hear what they want. Pretty sure it said that the HP to weight compensation calculation based on 5lb/hp EQUATES to a sea level comparison starting point of 155 vs 168 hp. Meaning the fat ol' doo at 50lbs heavier gets a 10hp penalty. Meaning the 165 stated hp is actually 155hp when comparing apples to apples.

Hey, don't care either way, but they never said the doo only has a 155hp engine."

 

[acesup800]

Thanks for chiming in, tough to be the one answering all the questions. I’ll throw one out there too.

I’ll ask where did they get the 155 hp number for the 850? On the skidoo.

Explained in post #113. 50lbs heavier at 5hp/lb is a 10 hp penalty. 165hp - 10 = 155hp.

 

[maxwell]

Lots of math going on here that’s not translating onto the snow folks LOL

 

[Lester777]

I'm not here to try to gain anyone's following or to try to sway your opinion. I realize as much as we at SnowTrax have opinions so every other rider out there does as well. And I realize you can pick many areas of this shootout apart, but when looking at this from our stand point of best 63/65" sled offered from two manufacturers, used where the manufacturers say the majority of riders ride (I get it you ride higher, thats ok, but not what we were focused on) and taking power to weight and price into account thats how we shaped this. If you're talking strictly high altitude of course there is big benefit to the Turbo, no debating that. But when you look at all mountain sled sales there were a boat load of these sleds sold to lower altitude areas and it's our opinion that there just ins't enough benefit in the sub 7K altitude areas to justify the weight and price. You don't have to agree, it's opinion, and if you wanna spend $5k at sub 7000 feet sure there are still some benefits but it's not enough in our opinion and from our testing. You're allowed to think we are wrong, we are allowed to think we are right. Thats what keeps the world going round, and this thread going on, we are all very passionate and will debate this till the cows come home and I appreciate that. I don't think there's another sport in the world who are as opinionated and passionate as we are.

I just talked to Luke, he's awaiting his approval to post so he will be on shortly to help answer any questions you might have about his numbers and outcome of the story.

 

[Caper11]

Well im gunna blow by every turbo DOO I see this weekend, come to the slaughter !!!

Id like to join you guys this weekend for sure. Send me a text, it will be myself and my brother.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Welcome to the site AJ! It’s really good to have comments straight from your publication. I couldn’t agree more that the brand bias riders have runs very deep, sometimes to the point of blindness...LOL

Take care!

 

[maxwell]

Well im gunna blow by every turbo DOO I see this weekend, come to the slaughter !!!

Oh ya riding during the week so I can’t lay waste to ya LOL

 

[Caper11]

Of course we are comparing a NA price to a Turbo price lol, there's only one turbo and we said the 2 best sleds available. If you want to compare Turbo to turbo then lets take that $5k and put a Silber turbo on the Polaris, yeah it won't have factory warranty but it will have 200 HP from base to peak.

Damage control on all forums? lol. This is the first one I've even looked at, figured Id jump on and show that we are interested in responding.

I don't believe his numbers are all that off, when they are taken in the context he explained them in. Although I do realize I'm arguing with someone who is brand biased and is going to find something to go on about with anything that isn't glorification of their sled. Thats ok, it's what makes snowmobiling so much fun, lots of folks willing to go round for round and argue their points, just don't expect yours to look any less biased than you say ours are.

Ive ridden all brands of MTN sleds and trail sled, and can do my own review.
Brands have their strengths and weakness. Its a product that get us out there riding, regardless of whats on the side panel.

I am also from the east, mtn sled is the last thing I would consider for low altitude riding, sorry I am biased on that, a turbo doo back east would be a waste of money.

Im wondering how you stumbled upon this forum first tho. Its a small forum, and Its been a topic on other larger forums longer.

I thank you for showing up, but what I watched wont change my mind. No numbers or math will not change the fact that doo has a turbo and Polaris does not, (for now) All doo riders and polaris riders know that the doo is heavy. It does not stop the sales.

This was only posted here a week ago to stir the pot amongst this group. Alot of us know each other on this forum, so alot of “mud” is slung at members, and there is back and forth banter.
Why you showed up on this site all of a sudden, out of the blue is interesting tho.

Am I biased? Well, it may come across to you as that. But I’m loyal to my dealer, and it just so happens they sell skidoo.

One thing has been always certain, if it was not for this back and forth banter between peers, there would not be the back and forth push from Manufacturers to constantly provide the best product they can to supply to their customers.



Here is one example, I cannot be bothered to look for the others.


https://www.snowest.com/forum/threads/snowtrax-lester-sisters.457850/

 

[niner]

Ive ridden all brands of MTN sleds and trail sled, and can do my own review.
Brands have their strengths and weakness. Its a product that get us out there riding, regardless of whats on the side panel.

I am also from the east, mtn sled is the last thing I would consider for low altitude riding, sorry I am biased on that, a turbo doo back east would be a waste of money.

Im wondering how you stumbled upon this forum first tho. Its a small forum, and Its been a topic on other larger forums longer.

I thank you for showing up, but what I watched wont change my mind. No numbers or math will not change the fact that doo has a turbo and Polaris does not, (for now) All doo riders and polaris riders know that the doo is heavy. It does not stop the sales.

This was only posted here a week ago to stir the pot amongst this group. Alot of us know each other on this forum, so alot of “mud” is slung at members, and there is back and forth banter.
Why you showed up on this site all of a sudden, out of the blue is interesting tho.

Am I biased? Well, it may come across to you as that. But I’m loyal to my dealer, and it just so happens they sell skidoo.

One that has been always certain, if it was not for this back and forth banter between peers, there would not be the back and forth push from Manufacturers to constantly provide the best product they can to supply to their customers.

I think he was here looking for information on how to load 2 sleds on a half ton and came across this gem...