Gas or Diesel

[250mark1]

went through the same thought process back in 2008 i went with the gas job in 2012 i traded it in and got the diesel i should have in the first place

 

[Ohmz]

Thx for the feed back guys! I think I'll be going with a 6.4 gas and see how that works... It's going to be a little harder on fuel than my 5.7 but screw it.

 

[ippielb]

I don't understand the," if you are keeping it for a very long time" train of thought ?
If the motor (diesel)lasts longer , but the rear end and tranny etc etc are falling out ( unreliable) etc etc .... At what point do you you keep fixing it ? If the diesel lasts 600k , the rest of the truck is shot at 250k , without substantial constant repair costs ...
In fact the torque and pulling power of the diesel may cause earlier issues than a gas job . I am no truck expert , but I fail to see the cost saving of s diesel, unless the pulling power is absolutely necessary...

i'd hope a new truck doesn't fall apart at 250k, my 06' duramax is at 415,000 and never gave me any issues other then a couple seals. a diesel can hold a gear through a climb while towing, gas vehicle downshifts often, Dont think its good on driveline when downshifting all the time. That's just my grain of salt.

free Cummins upgrade should be incentive enough to get a diesel. Look at the used market, same year, same model, same trim, same mileage, and the diesels will be $5,000 or more over the gas easily.

It it always starts that you don't want to tow much, but then you get a big new truck and the small stuff you towed before is nothing, so you want to upgrade to something bigger to tow, all the sudden you have a triple hauler with six sled's in it, and a camper you could live in all year round and you wish you got the free diesel upgrade.

 

[the_real_wild1]

i'd hope a new truck doesn't fall apart at 250k, my 06' duramax is at 415,000 and never gave me any issues other then a couple seals. a diesel can hold a gear through a climb while towing, gas vehicle downshifts often, Dont think its good on driveline when downshifting all the time. That's just my grain of salt.

free Cummins upgrade should be incentive enough to get a diesel. Look at the used market, same year, same model, same trim, same mileage, and the diesels will be $5,000 or more over the gas easily.

It it always starts that you don't want to tow much, but then you get a big new truck and the small stuff you towed before is nothing, so you want to upgrade to something bigger to tow, all the sudden you have a triple hauler with six sled's in it, and a camper you could live in all year round and you wish you got the free diesel upgrade.

Nothing is free. If you want to pay retail prices then Im sure it seems free.

 

[ippielb]

Nothing is free. If you want to pay retail prices then Im sure it seems free.

I've never looked into it, so i just assumed "free" meant it was free, I should know better , nothing is free anymore these days.


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[the_real_wild1]

They are probably still a good deal. I just don't like when they say it is a free option.

 

[rzrgade]

It's not so much they fall apart , it's the residual value of high miles that kill you....
The diesels should be worth more used , they Cost a pile more new....!
i guess it's a personal choice ... But isure see a pile of diesels with no trailers hooked on ..lol

 

[kovs]

It's getting to where the diesel isn't that much more new than a gas truck
I had a 10' 6.2 gas Gmc max tow so set up well It was a good truck for pulling it would hold its own ok with 4 place sled trailer loaded up, foot feeding it no cruise .If you kept foot out of it under 110 -,10ish mpg , wind or lead foot it dropped. My camper was pretty well maxing out my capacity and I didn't like that. Nice to drive on hwy and power to burn empty
Looked at a 16' ltz 6.2 but for very very close to same price I bought a new dmax. Drove off lot hooked to trailer and headed west. Faw$ me was that sweet. Set cruise and go. Longer distance between fuel stops and power to burn more stable in the heavy winds by Calgary to Canmore. Can't wait to hook camper on. 10k between oil change and first 4 are free. Gas shortages and diesel is cheap. Hammer down


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[the_real_wild1]

I go 10k on my hemi oil changes. They are synthetic oil changes and if I was to go by the oil life monitor it would stretch out to 13-14000 kms. The big thing is I don't have to change the fuel filters like I did with my diesel. Id change those every 20,000 and they were expensive suckers.

 

[j335]

It's getting to where the diesel isn't that much more new than a gas truck
I had a 10' 6.2 gas Gmc max tow so set up well It was a good truck for pulling it would hold its own ok with 4 place sled trailer loaded up, foot feeding it no cruise .If you kept foot out of it under 110 -,10ish mpg , wind or lead foot it dropped. My camper was pretty well maxing out my capacity and I didn't like that. Nice to drive on hwy and power to burn empty
Looked at a 16' ltz 6.2 but for very very close to same price I bought a new dmax. Drove off lot hooked to trailer and headed west. Faw$ me was that sweet. Set cruise and go. Longer distance between fuel stops and power to burn more stable in the heavy winds by Calgary to Canmore. Can't wait to hook camper on. 10k between oil change and first 4 are free. Gas shortages and diesel is cheap. Hammer down


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X2! I wanna like a HD half ton but those prices are ridiculous. Might as well move into the 3/4 ton trucks for the same price.

 

[kovs]

I go 10k on my hemi oil changes. They are synthetic oil changes and if I was to go by the oil life monitor it would stretch out to 13-14000 kms. The big thing is I don't have to change the fuel filters like I did with my diesel. Id change those every 20,000 and they were expensive suckers.

Haven't got to changing fuel filter only at 10k and 8x% life on it yet- I will prob go /get 30-40k on fuel filters as I very very rarely fill from anywhere but my tank on farm. So I know it's good clean filtered fuel. Once my oil changes are used up I will service truck myself so save quite a bit there.


Personally you wouldn't catch me going 10k on a gas engine oil change but that's another topic





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[the_real_wild1]

Haven't got to changing fuel filter only at 10k and 8x% life on it yet- I will prob go /get 30-40k on fuel filters as I very very rarely fill from anywhere but my tank on farm. So I know it's good clean filtered fuel. Once my oil changes are used up I will service truck myself so save quite a bit there.


Personally you wouldn't catch me going 10k on a gas engine oil change but that's another topic





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Times are changing. No longer are the old standards of going 5k on gas and 15-20k on HD diesel. Going up to 40k now on diesel and 10-13k on gas. All the new engines are running cleaner and the oil stays cleaner. But Ill do what ever the owner wants lol. They are the one paying the bill.

 

[pfi572]

IMO the newer diesel's are running dirtier inside the motor.
After deleting my 2012 Duramax (at 131000)took two oil changes and oil stays clean now.
Before it was dirty right away.
Between gas and diesel I have both .
If I had to have one and buying brand new and not pulling or hauling more than 15% it would be a gas equipped correctly.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Change the oil on an old Detroit engine vs a new Mack/Volvo. Or even a Cummins. Huge difference. But I know exactly what you mean. Delete the emission crap and it does clean them up. Actually I should say get rid of egr and it cleans it up. The rest doesn't dirty the engine any more then without it

 

[neilsleder]

Thx for the feed back guys! I think I'll be going with a 6.4 gas and see how that works... It's going to be a little harder on fuel than my 5.7 but screw it.

I don't think the 6.4 will be any harder on fuel then a 5.7. The 6.4 don't have to work as hard so should be easier. A guy I worked bought one and I was impressed with the milage he got.


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[the_real_wild1]

I don't think the 6.4 will be any harder on fuel then a 5.7. The 6.4 don't have to work as hard so should be easier. A guy I worked bought one and I was impressed with the milage he got.


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I get the same mileage as my 08 hemi but worse mileage then my 13 hemi. Both of those trucks were half tons and this one is a 1ton. Now currently with 35" mud tires

 

[C of Red]

I you have the spare cash for the more expensive maintanence IMO diesel is the only way to go. The power they have when loaded is amazing. I also like the extra weight of the Diesel engine, when combined with a couple sleds on a deck it sure makes the truck feel planted, even on ****ty roads. Like some other have mentioned getting 350,000 km's on this thing before I get a different truck was also a huge reason for me. I hate vehicle payments so I can drive this diesel for 10-12 years. A gasser I'd go thru 2-3 trucks in that time. I figured the extra cost of the oil changes was cheaper than paying to trade in miled out gasser's every 4-5 years.

I also wouldn't waste time on a 3/4 ton if I was upgrading from a 1/2 ton. There is so little difference in price Between a 3/4 and a 1 ton, then you never have to worry about payload. At the time when I purchased mine I only planned on two sleds plus gear. Now I often haul two sleds on the deck while towing a trailer with gear for 4-5 under neath. The 1 tons ride so nice now, my current truck rides better than my old 06 F150.

 

[the_real_wild1]

The 1 tons ride so nice now???? lol. You haven't been in mine. Granted it is better then say a 2002 dodge one ton but still rough. 500lbs in it though and the ride becomes nice. The diesel one ton rides way better then the one ton gasser, but that is probably what you're talking about.

 

[kovs]

I just don't like that so much is dependent on oil pressure to correctly run the new engines. There's a reason gm engines went to 8L oil capacity instead of 5L.
Personal preference but my truck won't be seeing more than 10k on oil change.


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[the_real_wild1]

I just don't like that so much is dependent on oil pressure to correctly run the new engines. There's a reason gm engines went to 8L oil capacity instead of 5L.
Personal preference but my truck won't be seeing more than 10k on oil change.


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Yeah my hemi is 7L. One of the reasons the oil change is more expensive.