Ethanol?

[Longhorn]

Ok I am confused about something. Why are the newer sleds supposed to run on premium 91 octane but the dealers are suggesting NOT to run fuel with Ethanol. This is being madated as law that ALL fuel will have Ethanol, so what happens then?

What are the ramifications of running fuel with Ethanol like Mowhawk, Husky?

And a second question, is fresh regular worse for the machine than old stale premium? Not a lot of premium gets bought here (this comes from my buddy that owns the station)

Thanks, confused...

 

[Longhorn]

Anyone??? Im sure somebody has an opinion on this...

 

[E-Zmoke]

https://www.snowandmud.com/forum/f14/husky-94-octane-36279.html

Have fun reading...

 

[magnet]

yeh what he said. point is everybody has ethanol in their fuel now just some don't advertise it.

 

[Longhorn]

yeh what he said. point is everybody has ethanol in their fuel now just some don't advertise it.

Which I agree with, Federally mandated now, so how in the world can the manufacturers tell you to buy fuel without it???

 

[Riverjet]

https://www.snowandmud.com/forum/f14/ethanol-info-28927.html

Any grade of fresh gasoline is better that any grade of stale gasoline. The key word being "fresh".

Last email I recieved back from Chevron last year said they do not yet add ethanol in their fuel in BC.

 

[Longhorn]

Canada introduced mandatory 5% for Sept 1, BC mandated the same Jan 1st so if you believe you arent getting ethanol I dont see how.

 

[ZRrrr]

Was a long thread about this not too long ago.

Shell for sure and I think a couple others, not Husky or Mowhawk, have stated no ethanol in their premium fuels.

Will this be changing?

 

[Longhorn]

Was a long thread about this not too long ago.

Shell for sure and I think a couple others, not Husky or Mowhawk, have stated no ethanol in their premium fuels.

Will this be changing?

Already did, on Sept 1st 2010, Federal Mandate that ALL fuels contain 5% Ethanol, BC provincially mandated this in Jan 2010.

The way I see it, it is against the law to refine or sell fuel that DOESNT contain 5% min Ethanol

 

[EMANAARON]

Canada introduced mandatory 5% for Sept 1, BC mandated the same Jan 1st so if you believe you arent getting ethanol I dont see how.

If you read in your skidoo manuel it says less than 15% ethanol if i remember correctly. It might say 10% though.

 

[briguy99]

I have always used Husky/Mohawk marked premium with no ill effects but this thread got me motivated to send an email to thier corporate office. Hey , I got a reply! Here it is......





Thank you for your inquiry regarding our marked premium offering at our Valleyview Husky Market location in Kamloops. Our marked premium is 91 octane and does not contain ethanol.



Should you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to give me a call at the number below.



Thank you,

Jason Rende



District Manager - Interior/Northern BC

Jason.Rende@huskyenerg

 

[Longhorn]

I have always used Husky/Mohawk marked premium with no ill effects but this thread got me motivated to send an email to thier corporate office. Hey , I got a reply! Here it is......





Thank you for your inquiry regarding our marked premium offering at our Valleyview Husky Market location in Kamloops. Our marked premium is 91 octane and does not contain ethanol.



Should you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to give me a call at the number below.



Thank you,

Jason Rende



District Manager - Interior/Northern BC

Jason.Rende@huskyenerg

You posted this back in October, and I am not questioning it (the letter) however I am questioning how they would avoid a Federal and Provincial mandate? Without this answer, sounds like he is blowing smoke...

Is it because it is marked, and considered off-road???

 

[magnet]

You posted this back in October, and I am not questioning it (the letter) however I am questioning how they would avoid a Federal and Provincial mandate? Without this answer, sounds like he is blowing smoke...

Is it because it is marked, and considered off-road???

possibly, because i know that offroad is allowed to run marked diesel which is not as low sulfur as pump stuff.

 

[Longhorn]

possibly, because i know that offroad is allowed to run marked diesel which is not as low sulfur as pump stuff.

The more I research this, the dumber I feel

 

[Longhorn]

Wow, just found about 4000 pages to read of the official act...

did find some exclusions to the mandate, might answer some questions...

Excluded volumes

(4) Despite subsections (1) and (2), a primary supplier may subtract from their gasoline pool or distillate pool, as the case may be, the volume of a batch, or of a portion of the batch, of fuel in their pool if they make, before the end of the trading period in respect of the compliance period, a record that establishes that the volume was a volume of one of the following types of fuel:

(a) gasoline, diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, sold for or delivered for use in aircraft;

(b) gasoline, diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, sold for or delivered for use in competition vehicles;

(c) gasoline, diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, sold for or delivered for use in scientific research;

(d) gasoline, diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, sold for or delivered for use as feedstock in the production of chemicals, other than fuels, in a chemical manufacturing facility;

(e) diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, sold for or delivered for use in military combat equipment;

(f) diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, represented as kerosene and sold for or delivered for use in unvented space heaters, wick-fed illuminating lamps, or flue-connected stoves and heaters;

(g) gasoline sold for or delivered for use in Newfoundland and Labrador, the Northwest Territories, Yukon, Nunavut and that part of Quebec that is north of latitude 60°N;

(h) diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, sold for or delivered for use in the Northwest Territories, Yukon, Nunavut and that part of Quebec that is north of latitude 60°N;

(i) gasoline, diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, for export; and

(j) gasoline, diesel fuel or heating distillate oil, as the case may be, in transit through Canada, from a place outside Canada to another place outside Canada.

 

[Longhorn]

The Act if interested...

Canada Gazette – Renewable Fuels Regulations

 

[Modman]

Ok I am confused about something. Why are the newer sleds supposed to run on premium 91 octane but the dealers are suggesting NOT to run fuel with Ethanol. This is being madated as law that ALL fuel will have Ethanol, so what happens then?

Nothing.

What are the ramifications of running fuel with Ethanol like Mowhawk, Husky?

Likely the same response, nothing. 5% is not much in terms of volume. Check owners manual as stated, I think there is an allowance for a percentage. If the fuel is fresh, then it will probably not have much water dissociation with the ethanol and nothing will happen to the motor or fuel economy. Ethanol actually increases a fuels octane rating, until it sits in the tank for a long time and bonds with water. Once the heavy water-laden ethanol dissociates from the fuel, the higher octane rating is then removed from the fuel (which is usually one of the major issues with e-fuels).

If the fuel is old and the ethanol has separated and accumulated water molecules, and therefore removed the octane value of the fuel, then if you were running on the edge of too much compression and not enough octane, you might get some detonation, but otherwise if the fuel is fresh, you probably are not going to notice a difference IMO.

 

[briguy99]

You posted this back in October, and I am not questioning it (the letter) however I am questioning how they would avoid a Federal and Provincial mandate? Without this answer, sounds like he is blowing smoke...

Is it because it is marked, and considered off-road???

it was actually introduced for the farmers/ag indusrty as bc does not put road tax on this....now they expanded it to all off hiway vehicles....just dont get caught burnin it on the hiway (hence the marking of the fuel)
i am not 100 % but i believe the law states they have to have min 5% and no more than 10% across the board ( all fuels combined per company) thus some grades are octane free.....

i know the 2012 emmision regs work like that for the sled engines
u are rite LH it is confusin

 

[imdoo'n]

Nothing.



Likely the same response, nothing. 5% is not much in terms of volume. Check owners manual as stated, I think there is an allowance for a percentage. If the fuel is fresh, then it will probably not have much water dissociation with the ethanol and nothing will happen to the motor or fuel economy. Ethanol actually increases a fuels octane rating, until it sits in the tank for a long time and bonds with water. Once the heavy water-laden ethanol dissociates from the fuel, the higher octane rating is then removed from the fuel (which is usually one of the major issues with e-fuels).

If the fuel is old and the ethanol has separated and accumulated water molecules, and therefore removed the octane value of the fuel, then if you were running on the edge of too much compression and not enough octane, you might get some detonation, but otherwise if the fuel is fresh, you probably are not going to notice a difference IMO.

now modman would this fuel in a jerry can, if sealed break down as fast as gas in the sleds tank which is open to atmosphere. i don't think it should absorb water, but just wondering about breakdown.

 

[OnlyPolaris]

shell v-power FTW!!