Electric vehicle sales slump one year after subsidy cut

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LILLEY: Electric vehicle sales slump one year after subsidy cut

https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/col...xcgWTONooDuJt1RZQsTYdaYw0g#Echobox=1564418493

Brian Lilley

Published: July 28, 2019
Updated: July 28, 2019 6:52 PM MDT

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Electric vehicle sales took a sharp tumble in Ontario when the Ford government cancelled subsidies for the high-end cars a year ago.Fresh off their election win, the PCs said there was no sense in subsidizing vehicles for wealthy people that could afford to spend the extra money for a green car.It’s a point the premier made in Hamilton after touring the industrial city where steel for many Ontario-made vehicles is made.“The common folks here in Hamilton have a big problem giving rebates up to $16,000 of their hard-earned money to millionaires buying $80,000 cars, $100,000 cars,” Premier Ford said last August.It’s a valid point, even if not every electric car is a $100,000 Tesla.The most popular electric vehicle in the first three months of 2019 was the Tesla Model 3, and those start at $43,000.Of course they compare to a Toyota Corolla in terms of the kind of sedan you get, and Corollas start at $18,900.The second most popular EV was the Hyundai Kona, a vehicle that starts at $21,000 for the regular model but costs a minimum of $45,000 for electric.Those are big price differences, and that’s why without the enticement of a rebate, people just aren’t buying electric cars.Between the beginning of January and the end of March this year, just 1,219 electric vehicles were sold — compared to 2,633 electric vehicles over the same period in 2018.That’s a 55% drop in sales according to Electric Mobility Canada, an industry group that compiled the figures and wrote the report.Environmental activists and those that simply oppose the Ford government will look at these numbers and say they are proof that the PCs made a big mistake a year ago.I don’t agree with them.First off, the premier’s claim that average taxpayers shouldn’t be subsidizing cars for the wealthy still stands.The average person working full-time makes in the neighbourhood of $50,000 a year.They aren’t spending anywhere close to that amount for an expensive car to show how much they care about the environment.Secondly, I never understood the wisdom in the Government of Ontario subsidizing electric vehicles when not a single one is made here.I mean think about it — the policies of the former Wynne government made Ontario-built vehicles more expensive through cap and trade and various other policies, but made it cheaper to buy cars made elsewhere.Electric vehicles may one day be viable alternatives for the average person, but right now it isn’t there — and those who are well-off financially don’t want to pay full-price without a government rebate.Out of the 2,035,832 passenger vehicles sold in Canada last year, only 44,175, or 2.1%, were electric.In the first three months of 2019, electric vehicle sales in Ontario fell to just 0.6% of all vehicle sales.That alone shows the public prefer the cheaper, gas-powered option when all things are equal.The Trudeau government announced a federal rebate in the last budget that is almost identical to the one the Ford government killed off last year, meaning that now federal taxpayers are subsidizing wealthy people to buy electric cars.It won’t work until electric cars are cheaper and more reliable.
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“The common folks here in Hamilton have a big problem giving rebates up to $16,000 of their hard-earned money to millionaires buying $80,000 cars, $100,000 cars.”






 

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So basically the only reason people are buying them is because the government is helping peeps buy them. So many leaf lickers out there that are supporting the good cause really have to be enticed with money. Good grief...

There are a lot of reasons to own an EV.
1. Cost per mile
2. Performance
3. Autonomy features
4. Very little maintenance (washer fluid, wiper blades, tires)
5. Charge at your home every night while you sleep
6. Over the air software updates to add new features
7. Traction control at the millisecond level for icy roads
8. Ability to charge it however you want (coal, gas, solar, hydro, drive it down a steep hill)
9. Increased storage space (trunk, frunk, larger cabin)
 

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There are a lot of reasons to own an EV.
1. Cost per mile
2. Performance
3. Autonomy features
4. Very little maintenance (washer fluid, wiper blades, tires)
5. Charge at your home every night while you sleep
6. Over the air software updates to add new features
7. Traction control at the millisecond level for icy roads
8. Ability to charge it however you want (coal, gas, solar, hydro, drive it down a steep hill)
9. Increased storage space (trunk, frunk, larger cabin)

8. Forgot wind...
 

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There are a lot of reasons to own an EV.
1. Cost per mile
2. Performance
3. Autonomy features
4. Very little maintenance (washer fluid, wiper blades, tires)
5. Charge at your home every night while you sleep
6. Over the air software updates to add new features
7. Traction control at the millisecond level for icy roads
8. Ability to charge it however you want (coal, gas, solar, hydro, drive it down a steep hill)
9. Increased storage space (trunk, frunk, larger cabin)

It charges going down hill?
 

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Ask anyone with an EV....for every mile of 5% grade downhill, you get enough charge to go uphill two miles or on flat ground for five....with the AC on and stereo blasting.
 
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Ask anyone with an EV....for every mile of 5% grade downhill, you get enough charge to go uphill two miles or on flat ground for five....with the AC on and stereo blasting.

No one ever said that. Have fun changing your engine oil, engine air filter, transmission oil/filter, coolant, brake pads/rotors, serpentine belt, alternator, fuel pump, spark plugs, exhaust gaskets, timing belts, water pump, catalytic converter, muffler, fuel lines, crankcase oil filter, fuel filters, injectors, turbo, etc.
 

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And when braking. However, as Dave suggests, it's not likely all that significant.

Fortunately we live in a real world governed by the laws of physics and not just “what Dave said on the internet”.
 

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No one ever said that. Have fun changing your engine oil, engine air filter, transmission oil/filter, coolant, brake pads/rotors, serpentine belt, alternator, fuel pump, spark plugs, exhaust gaskets, timing belts, water pump, catalytic converter, muffler, fuel lines, crankcase oil filter, fuel filters, injectors, turbo, etc.[/QUOTE

I'll remember that when your sitting at the side of the highway after the roads open up after a 6 hour closure in the Rogers Pass in January as your trying to get to your diesel truck with your sled in Revy!
 

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There are a lot of reasons to own an EV.
1. Cost per mile
2. Performance
3. Autonomy features
4. Very little maintenance (washer fluid, wiper blades, tires)
5. Charge at your home every night while you sleep
6. Over the air software updates to add new features
7. Traction control at the millisecond level for icy roads
8. Ability to charge it however you want (coal, gas, solar, hydro, drive it down a steep hill)
9. Increased storage space (trunk, frunk, larger cabin)

I'm not running down the technology Johnny. More making fun of the majority of owners buy them to save the planet yet lose interest when the government isn't pitching in on the price is all.
 

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I'm not running down the technology Johnny. More making fun of the majority of owners buy them to save the planet yet lose interest when the government isn't pitching in on the price is all.

Fair enough. I will have to book you in for a test drive after harvest is done :)
 

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Cutting edge technology, fastest thing on wheels, driving like Ms. Daisy in the fast lane trying to squeeze every ounce of mileage out of a charge giving everyone the finger. That's my experience with the ev guys around my parts.
 
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There are a lot of reasons to own an EV.
1. Cost per mile
2. Performance
3. Autonomy features
4. Very little maintenance (washer fluid, wiper blades, tires)
5. Charge at your home every night while you sleep
6. Over the air software updates to add new features
7. Traction control at the millisecond level for icy roads
8. Ability to charge it however you want (coal, gas, solar, hydro, drive it down a steep hill)
9. Increased storage space (trunk, frunk, larger cabin)

10) govt rebates
11) govt subsidies to EV industry
12) more rebates
13) more subsidies to EV industry
14) free or cheap power (for now) - - saw a doctor plugged in at the local hospital....do you think he's paying for the power used to recharge his Tesla or is he stealing power from taxpayers?

once the rebates dry up, and its a true user pay system....sales will severely flatten. There might be a place for these but the infrastructure is not ready
 

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Not surprising that once the free money dries up so does the interest. It’ll be even worse when the free or subsidized electricity disappears as well.
 

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We are swimming in debt right now, this has been the worst government Canada has ever seen.
 

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10) govt rebates
11) govt subsidies to EV industry
12) more rebates
13) more subsidies to EV industry
14) free or cheap power (for now) - - saw a doctor plugged in at the local hospital....do you think he's paying for the power used to recharge his Tesla or is he stealing power from taxpayers?

Imo that would be stealing. No different, if that doctor plugged into his neighbors house at night.
 

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Imo that would be stealing. No different, if that doctor plugged into his neighbors house at night.

So a stall marked as an EV charging spot is not to be used for EV charging or you’ll be labeled as a thief?
 
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