Dodge Death Wobble

[Summitric]

are you talking about a steering box brace? The sector shaft assembly on the 2010+ is much larger than its predecessor and they can still get it with a new track bar...so i'm not sure if your fix is 100% fail safe...or am i misinterpreting what you are saying? Imo the cause of death wobble can be one of many, or a combination of many relating factors...and the fix for one truck is not necessarily the same for the next. It is a well known problem in just about any coil sprung solid front axle vehicle; jeeps, bronco, f250/350, ram 2500/3500 etc...

yup, many different factors or combination of factors can cause death wobble, like hrt says..........here are most of the possible causes of the notorious death wobble: Wheel alignment with too much or not enough camber, weak steering dampers(we've often installed a dual damper systems to help with this), the steering box x-brace, worn track bars &/or worn front suspension &/or steering components, incorrect tire load range(wrong tires for vehicle), incorrect tire pressures, poorly designed lift kits, worn or loose front wheel bearings/hubs.........

Now if it was a ford superduty, most common cause for the death wobble is worn or damaged steering dampner

 

[Polarblu]

Are you talking about a steering box brace? The sector shaft assembly on the 2010+ is much larger than its predecessor and they can still get it with a new track bar...So I'm not sure if your fix is 100% fail safe...or am I misinterpreting what you are saying? IMO the cause of death wobble can be one of many, or a combination of many relating factors...and the fix for one truck is not necessarily the same for the next. It is a well known problem in just about any coil sprung solid front axle vehicle; jeeps, bronco, F250/350, ram 2500/3500 etc...

All the Dodges i have fixed are older than 2010, worked everytime. Sometimes there were other issues with worn-out parts, but after the steering box brace and stiffer bushings it been happy trails. Lifted trucks need it more often.

 

[Cyle]

I don't get the whole D rated tire issues, there is SO many people with cummins running them without issues (me included on multiple trucks). Yes I know some people switch back to E and it cures their issues, but i've got to think either they got bad tires, or have other issues that for some reason only show up with the lighter sidewall tires. It's not a weight issue as D's can be rated for much more then E's even, some nearly 4000lbs. I know people complain of sidewall flex but that's a load of BS.

 

[Polarblu]

I don't get the whole D rated tire issues, there is SO many people with cummins running them without issues (me included on multiple trucks). Yes I know some people switch back to E and it cures their issues, but i've got to think either they got bad tires, or have other issues that for some reason only show up with the lighter sidewall tires. It's not a weight issue as D's can be rated for much more then E's even, some nearly 4000lbs. I know people complain of sidewall flex but that's a load of BS.

I agree, crap tires dont make things wobble, they make things shake. If a stiffer sidewall changes the characteristics of your steering then fix the problem!! changing the tires is kind of naive.

 

[tex78]

I don't get the whole D rated tire issues, there is SO many people with cummins running them without issues (me included on multiple trucks). Yes I know some people switch back to E and it cures their issues, but i've got to think either they got bad tires, or have other issues that for some reason only show up with the lighter sidewall tires. It's not a weight issue as D's can be rated for much more then E's even, some nearly 4000lbs. I know people complain of sidewall flex but that's a load of BS.

Just a FYI. The difference between 8 and 10 ply tires have nothing in the side wall at all... Only the face has more plys

0 , 0, 0 .... Difference in the side walls

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[Polarblu]

Just a FYI. The difference between 8 and 10 ply tires have nothing in the side wall at all... Only the face has more plys

0 , 0, 0 .... Difference in the side walls

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Has allot to do with sidewall rating, not the number of plys in the sidewall. Since it is a load rating the difference in psi is directly related to sidewall strength.

 

[Cyle]

Has allot to do with sidewall rating, not the number of plys in the sidewall. Since it is a load rating the difference in psi is directly related to sidewall strength.

I'm no tire expert at all, but I did assume the whole D vs E was BS. I always figured the load rating was a lot more important. So a sidewall on a D or E with the same load rating is exactly the same? And really, a D with say 3800lbs load rating vs a E with 3400lbs load rating, the D is a better tire to go with basically as far as weight goes? I know D's usually are lower psi rating to.

 

[tex78]

What's 15 psi diff??

And sorry.

Look at a Bfg allterain. 3 ply side wall..

Works the same at 65 it 80

U do realize that the air psi is for tire temp ( Like the boiling point of water under psi )..


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[HRT Offroad]

I don't get the whole D rated tire issues, there is SO many people with cummins running them without issues (me included on multiple trucks). Yes I know some people switch back to E and it cures their issues, but i've got to think either they got bad tires, or have other issues that for some reason only show up with the lighter sidewall tires. It's not a weight issue as D's can be rated for much more then E's even, some nearly 4000lbs. I know people complain of sidewall flex but that's a load of BS.

Not all "D" rated tires are the culprit. BFG's D rates are by far the worse. They have a floppy, soft sidewall, however, a Toyo D rated tire generally works fine. Toyo's have a very stiff sidewall in comparison to the BFG. Sidewall flex in a tire can be a HUGE contributor to death wobble...FACT. But don't dare disagree with Cyle...cause he knows best

 

[tex78]

I just used Bfg as a sample...

Yes ever make and model has a diff side wall agreed...

If u have a 8 ply and a 10 ply. I hope like Hells Ur not putting 65 and or 80 psi in the front tires. Talk about riding like a lumber wagon...

U don't need any more than 50-60 in the front on a Dsl pickup

I run 50 all the way around unless I'm hauling my 5th wheel then I bump the backs up to 75...



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[HRT Offroad]

I just used Bfg as a sample...

Yes ever make and model has a diff side wall agreed...

If u have a 8 ply and a 10 ply. I hope like Hells Ur not putting 65 and or 80 psi in the front tires. Talk about riding like a lumber wagon...

U don't need any more than 50-60 in the front on a Dsl pickup

I run 50 all the way around unless I'm hauling my 5th wheel then I bump the backs up to 75...



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I run 35-37 PSI (towing or empty) with 37x13.5R17 E-rated Toyo M/T's on an 8" wide wheel...all WRONG according to the "book", but I get 75,000+ kms out of a set of tires and no death wobble Simply because of Toyo's sidewall construction and stiffness...

 

[Summitric]

i run 35-37 psi (towing or empty) with 37x13.5r17 e-rated toyo m/t's on an 8" wide wheel...all wrong according to the "book", but i get 75,000+ kms out of a set of tires and no death wobble simply because of toyo's sidewall construction and stiffness...

we've been running about 45psi in most those tires........ I run 50 to 55 in my e-rated bfg's and never a problem

 

[tex78]

lots of the trucks i work on with the tpms that say they need 70 front and 80 back [ dodge - ford ] wears tires out prematurey cause of this....

 

[HRT Offroad]

we've been running about 45psi in most those tires........ I run 50 to 55 in my e-rated bfg's and never a problem

You should never have a problem with your BFG E-rates, but their D-rates area different story

 

[Summitric]

you should never have a problem with your bfg e-rates, but their d-rates area different story

truedat......... Truedat

 

[growly]

lots of the trucks i work on with the tpms that say they need 70 front and 80 back [ dodge - ford ] wears tires out prematurey cause of this....

no tpms in 3500 Dodge trucks. I run 285/75/17 toyo's with 60 psi in my 07 Dodge,no lift or level and no issues.

 

[ram4tow]

On my 2006 i had wicked death wobble. I replaced the ball joints all new tie rods, shocks etc.. those things helped but my problem was that the area that my steering box was mounted was starting to crack. it was welded up and i installed a brace, long shot but its worth it to check.

 

[Murminator]

Didn't realize the death wooble was this bad

 

[Murminator]

 

[Murminator]

Not only dodges have it