Dam trucks

[somethingnuw]

A lot of very good points to read on this thread both for and against new truck drivers...

There is a lot going on here though... yes like every industry we lost the "old school" guys replaced by new drivers wanting to get paid more... they work for large compainies and drive the trucks with no respect ... speed is a simple way of looking at it... you never used to see trucks ripping the way they do know... you know your behind an "old school" driver when he's driving within reason of the speed limit and if your really lucky he may even flash you to tell you it's safe to pass and move over... on the other hand travel the fraser canyon lately? you can't even pass a truck cause one empty super b train is trying to pass 5 others all going the same rate of speed... on the way back down the canyon they don't use their brakes so you can't pass them when you want... now they speed up and purposly hit the shoulder to spray you with rocks if your behind them... i even saw a cop trying to pass one... he hit the snow on the shoulder and whited everyone out... never slowed down... i was like wtf... please give him a ticket.. .no after the game went on for about 10 min he slowed to about 40 and got passed...

remember the old days when they'd flash you to tell you if cops were coming, if it was free to pass or even thank you for letting them pass you??? Now they are like the rest of us... driving with light bars and 50 other lights on blinding everyone in their way... God for bid, you have snow then the middle of the lane becomes the lane of travel and screw everyone else
... don't get me wrong i have a lot of respect for guys who drive trucks and some of them i even call friend... but i drive about 100 k per year on hwy's and it's getting worse... mind you so is every other industry i just think we need to wait for their testosterone levels to drop with age and it will all go back to the way it was... I HOPE

 

[Highfly]

I still have the up most respect for truck drivers. Was raised around them, spent lots of time crossing Canada in one. If one passes me (I do travel under the speed limit at times) I am sure to flash my lights to them so they know they are clear to come back in and 9 times out of 10 I get the marking lights flashed back as a thank you. As Medler said everyone should have to spend some time in one. My Dad would invite every customer he had to jump up in the truck and check it out. The first thing they all said was "How do you see anything in front of you". Very often they would say how they would start giving the big trucks more room as they had no clue what it was like.



It's too bad about hearing some drivers aren't upholding the professionalism they should be. If you see a driver driving dangerously take note of the time of day, your location and if possible a truck identification number if it has one and obviously the company name. Give the company a call and polity give them a complaint. I travel with a Dash cam now and would not hesitate to forward some footage if I felt necessary.

 

[doorfx]

I wonder how many drivers have one of these ?

 

[teeroy]

looks like anyone can have one if they want Masters Of Design - Sports

 

[Mike270412]

I ordered one.5 MILLION MILES!!!

looks like anyone can have one if they want Masters Of Design - Sports

 

[woody_tobius_jr]

this tread was about friggin truck drivers driving there friggin trucks over the centerline on 881, nothing about 1/2 tons etc, that is for another thread. seems like a lot of defensive truck drivers on here. if you don't drive 881, this is not about you, or if you don't drive with left front wheel on center line then this has nothing to do with you.. if you have an opinion as to why this is happening then please let us in on the reason. If you are one who drives like this on 881 or any other road give your head a shake.

what I see is they don't give a s-it about anyone else but themselves. I see a few phone calls being made. and I have to say there are some very good truck driver's out there, just trying to make a living and wanting to get home safe

881 Sucks A$$ for sure, if we don't have to drive it, we don't. Permitted loads over a certain width have to go that way and are restricted to night travel. Now keep in mind that the lanes are around 12' inside the paint. 10' wide lowboy fits in there with the ditch side wheels on the fog line to give us a couple of feet to the center line. 11' wide lowboy will have the tires outside the fog line to keep the same distance to the center line. The platform trailers are a different beast, they're the trailers that have the wheels from front to back and haul the really big loads and they will have a truck pulling and 1 or two pushing, they have to stay on the road, they can't get too close to the edge, otherwise you make the news. When you said that the wide load had his wheels over the center line, how wide was the trailer? If it was a platform trailer, chances are the wheels were as close to the edge of the road as allowed. Somebody asked why the pilots can't signal to the drivers behind when its clear... it's simple, we're not going to have our guys liable if something happens when somebody tries to pass our loads. If the lead pilot tells the back pilot that its clear and the back pilot signals for 4's to pass, and a car comes out of a dip in the highway that the lead pilot didn't see..well now you have a car beside a 20 some foot wide load with traffic coming at him. We'd be on the hook because we told the guy to go. I do agree with you, that the trucking industry is getting watered down ( skill wise) on the highway side for sure, but for the most part, the best drivers that you will find out there , in my opinion, are log haulers, equipment haulers and the guys that pull the platform trailers.




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[LennyR]

I gave you factual information, you retort with opinion. what's the sense in trying to engage in intelligent debate.

Nah , you gave us propaganda , I gave you reality .

 

[teeroy]

Nah , you gave us propaganda , I gave you reality .

your perception of it

 

[imdoo'n]

881 Sucks A$$ for sure, if we don't have to drive it, we don't. Permitted loads over a certain width have to go that way and are restricted to night travel. Now keep in mind that the lanes are around 12' inside the paint. 10' wide lowboy fits in there with the ditch side wheels on the fog line to give us a couple of feet to the center line. 11' wide lowboy will have the tires outside the fog line to keep the same distance to the center line. The platform trailers are a different beast, they're the trailers that have the wheels from front to back and haul the really big loads and they will have a truck pulling and 1 or two pushing, they have to stay on the road, they can't get too close to the edge, otherwise you make the news. When you said that the wide load had his wheels over the center line, how wide was the trailer? If it was a platform trailer, chances are the wheels were as close to the edge of the road as allowed. Somebody asked why the pilots can't signal to the drivers behind when its clear... it's simple, we're not going to have our guys liable if something happens when somebody tries to pass our loads. If the lead pilot tells the back pilot that its clear and the back pilot signals for 4's to pass, and a car comes out of a dip in the highway that the lead pilot didn't see..well now you have a car beside a 20 some foot wide load with traffic coming at him. We'd be on the hook because we told the guy to go. I do agree with you, that the trucking industry is getting watered down ( skill wise) on the highway side for sure, but for the most part, the best drivers that you will find out there , in my opinion, are log haulers, equipment haulers and the guys that pull the platform trailers.


great post, sorry I have no idea how wide was trying to find some other place to be. It sure seemed that all the transports were hugging the line, likely due to narrow road, and lack snow plow clearing, I have observed this behavior on roads through out the province, but noticed it big time on 881

 

[Bnorth]

Got to play the passing game this morning. Short passing lane on a decent hill and trucker A decides he will pass trucker B. Manages to put his steer axle at about the trailer bumper and realizes he's not going to make it, not even friggin close chief. He gets on the brakes to pull back in behind and now we're doing 40 km/h, awesome job. Both driving 53' vans of course.

 

[adamg]

I want to give a shout out to my favorite truck driver. This dude has been a hero to me on my commute home many days. He seems to enter Saskatoon's North end about the same time I leave work from this area. Some days I am lucky enough to be near him while driving on the freeway through the city. I can always tell it's him because it's a Co-op labelled semi tractor with B-train Coop tanker trailers, and he drives like an angry person. He's not happy unless he's doing 100 in the 90-zone, and if a 4 wheeler dares loiter in the left lane going slower than that he puts on the best show of tailgaiting I've ever seen. Nothing quite like seeing a 100+ foot long semi in winter tailgaiting a passenger car with like 4' between them at 90km/h.

 

[Joholio]

I want to give a shout out to my favorite truck driver. This dude has been a hero to me on my commute home many days. He seems to enter Saskatoon's North end about the same time I leave work from this area. Some days I am lucky enough to be near him while driving on the freeway through the city. I can always tell it's him because it's a Co-op labelled semi tractor with B-train Coop tanker trailers, and he drives like an angry person. He's not happy unless he's doing 100 in the 90-zone, and if a 4 wheeler dares loiter in the left lane going slower than that he puts on the best show of tailgaiting I've ever seen. Nothing quite like seeing a 100+ foot long semi in winter tailgaiting a passenger car with like 4' between them at 90km/h.

Get the unit number and call him in. Nothing like azzhats driving 60,000kg of dangerous goods around like sports cars. I've seen lots like him pulling Air Liquide and Praxair trailers too and who knows what those placards say they contain...

 

[imdoo'n]

Had a good laugh the other day, Going down a gravel road? Past heart lake store, 50km signs all along road, we are following the consultant to job site. He is doing 90 to 100km , the road is glare ice, can't stop, can hardly stand on road, he is pissy i'm only doing 50-60 km. what a friggin loon. Wants to be a hero at tran can. What a freakin tool- every day all we hear is be safe, drive safe. Lol

 

[Absledder]

Had a good laugh the other day, Going down a gravel road? Past heart lake store, 50km signs all along road, we are following the consultant to job site. He is doing 90 to 100km , the road is glare ice, can't stop, can hardly stand on road, he is pissy i'm only doing 50-60 km. what a friggin loon. Wants to be a hero at tran can. What a freakin tool- every day all we hear is be safe, drive safe. Lol

That's how it goes it seems. All kinds of big talk about how safety comes first, but in reality they put a ton of pressure to be done quick. Then if something does happen they turn around and say well you should've slowed down, time doesn't matter only safety does. . .

 

[LBZ]

I just can't believe you don't keep a steady speed of 90km/h when you're 100,000 kgs or more.

I seriously hope you mean 100 000lbs!:d

so what happens when this parade of trucks come to a hill? they all slow down to say 60 or so. now how do all these 4 wheelers get by, are the trucks still the hazard?

Not if they leave adequate space for people to work their way past them. Problem is they don't.

never before were there so many companies that dropped their max speed to 90 km/hr. for safety

As on some highways they all should. It's because as mentioned below they do 60 up a hill then clear the top and by the time traffic clears so you can pass they are doing a buck 20 again. Same applies to corners they have to slow down on. It's aggravating when you have a 10 hr drive to make. Schlumberger policy is 10 below posted and their convoy policies dictate they are supposed to leave SEVERAL truck lengths between vehicles. You may come up on a convoy of 10 trucks, but at least you can get around them. Can't say the same for a Canyon crew.

Why is there a need to get by, if they are doing 120?.........

See above post.

Your right, I was speaking in general terms.... If I were driving truck I would understand my trucks capabilities and pass other trucks when practical and considerate....Not when my passing another truck would create a backlog of slow traffic. I run the QE2 2 to RD & Calgary 2 or 3 times a week and my #1 piss off is 2 semi's side by side same speed backing up the left lane.

This is exactly the problem. Lately I've noticed it's grocery haulers, tanker yankers and chip trucks that are the biggest offenders. Absolutely zero courtesy. I've seen several Cattle and Hog liners get right pissed at these guys as they for the most part have the legs to get on it and get around them but get held up too.

 

[LBZ]

Everyone understands why a truck cant maintain speed, the trouble is why do you need to do a buck forty to pass someone who was just doing 60

As I said above, because as soon as they get to a flat, they giv'r to 120. So that combines with limited time to pass because of traffic results in some people speeding excessively to pass. On both accounts, it's the wrong way to travel safely. Trucker could have a little courtesy and when he sees a passing opportunity, ease off a bit and allow the guy behind him to get around.

Another highway that is just as deadly is the Alaska hwy between John and Nelson which surprise, this morning has had closures and limited traffic because of four accidents involving trucks either crashed on the highway or in the ditch. Somedays I am amazed at the retardedness that goes on. And it's the same story. Trucks hugging the center line, following too close, doing even as slow as 25km/h up some hills but when they get to the straight stretch pin it so nobody else can get past them. That is another highway that needs passing lanes. In the first 200 km I think there is two. And yes, countless times have I seen the trucking turtle race up the one-namely at the Sikanni river.

But it's not just trucks I find on that road to be bad. The other one, and the one I see pulled over by cops or in the ditch the most - FAWKIN WELDERS!! What is with these gods of the pipeline????? They drive like lunatics for some reason and I have never understood why. Pipeliners seem to take a close second. I have had to pick up my wife twice when she worked the pipeline because her ride was either getting his truck towed for one reason or another or was in the ditch. Not to bad mouth all that work in these professions but in the 60 000 km/h a year I put on the roads between Saskatchewan and BC, these are my observations.

Bottom line, a little courtesy by all the drivers out there would go a long way to preventing accidents.

 

[LennyR]

Every time one these inconsiderate "professional" morons drives up a passing lane right beside another truck hoping to get by at 2 mph faster with a long line of traffic behind him, they should be issued a $1000 fine , plus, trucks have radios, what's with the 3 trucks spun out on hiway hills, and more dip$hits head out bare footed up the same hill, cause they might make it. What a cluster , especially in a crappy weather year like this has been. Again, fine the crap out of them if they are to friggen lazy or dumb to put on a set if chains when it's obviously necessary.

 

[Mike270412]

I seriously hope you mean 100 000lbs!:d


Not if they leave adequate space for people to work their way past them. Problem is they don't.


As on some highways they all should. It's because as mentioned below they do 60 up a hill then clear the top and by the time traffic clears so you can pass they are doing a buck 20 again. Same applies to corners they have to slow down on. It's aggravating when you have a 10 hr drive to make. Schlumberger policy is 10 below posted and their convoy policies dictate they are supposed to leave SEVERAL truck lengths between vehicles. You may come up on a convoy of 10 trucks, but at least you can get around them. Can't say the same for a Canyon crew.


See above post.


This is exactly the problem. Lately I've noticed it's grocery haulers, tanker yankers and chip trucks that are the biggest offenders. Absolutely zero courtesy. I've seen several Cattle and Hog liners get right pissed at these guys as they for the most part have the legs to get on it and get around them but get held up too.

No,I meant kilograms.

 

[Absledder]

Every time one these inconsiderate "professional" morons drives up a passing lane right beside another truck hoping to get by at 2 mph faster with a long line of traffic behind him, they should be issued a $1000 fine , plus, trucks have radios, what's with the 3 trucks spun out on hiway hills, and more dip$hits head out bare footed up the same hill, cause they might make it. What a cluster , especially in a crappy weather year like this has been. Again, fine the crap out of them if they are to friggen lazy or dumb to put on a set if chains when it's obviously necessary.

If you don't chain up when your supposed to ( flashing lights at bottom of hill), you get fined whether you make it or not. Happened to the truck my cousin was swamping for last winter. Might not be 1000 but it's fairly hefty in the 3-400 dollar range. That was in bc though so I don't know about ab.


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[teeroy]

No,I meant kilograms.

just in case anyone is wondering, this is what 100,000+ KG's looks like....and it's small potatoes compared to some of the loads out there.