boost it fuel box instructions

[sledhead306]

could be i guess, i don't know how much neils phone rings because of silber kits but from what i see on the forum here guys really like the boost it box. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the riders skill level of tuning.

 

[XP2009]

"The difference between our turbo kit and a Silber kit is night and day in comparison when talking driveability, spool time, responsiveness, top end.
We ran them side by side last weekend and even running 5 lbs less boost, our turbo kit outperformed the Silber in every way."


Neil, did the Silber kit listed above have your box or a Dobeck ??

 

[NM]

"The difference between our turbo kit and a Silber kit is night and day in comparison when talking driveability, spool time, responsiveness, top end.
We ran them side by side last weekend and even running 5 lbs less boost, our turbo kit outperformed the Silber in every way."


Neil, did the Silber kit listed above have your box or a Dobeck ??

That was with our fuel system.
That is the main reason we are not going to sell to Silber guys any more. When people see a sled run good or bad, they always point to the fuel system.

Well that is not the case when talking about the Silber kit. There are soooo many reasons that the Silber kit will not work great no matter what fuel system is on it.
Quite honestly the difference between their kit and ours is night and day as it should be. Our kit is almost twice the money that their's is.

We are going to start working on a non intercooled kit for the Pro's that will come in at that 5k mark and it should be a strong runner. The intention is to keep it at 5-6 lbs boost and work good all of the time. I want it to out run a Silber at 10 lbs, which should be no problem.

 

[sledhead306]

neil you keep telling us how shotty our silber kits are but are yet to hear an actuall mechanical reason. i like my silber kit besides one small spot in the fuel curve, it is pretty bad that you advertise a fuel system for a pro and then say you won't sell them...why brag about your controller when you can't deliver them. i am fully aware that your controller wouldn't likely give me a horse power gain but it does gain me tube abilty and consistancy.

 

[NM]

neil you keep telling us how shotty our silber kits are but are yet to hear an actuall mechanical reason. i like my silber kit besides one small spot in the fuel curve, it is pretty bad that you advertise a fuel system for a pro and then say you won't sell them...why brag about your controller when you can't deliver them. i am fully aware that your controller wouldn't likely give me a horse power gain but it does gain me tube abilty and consistancy.

The controllers work fine on Aero, HM, and Boondocker.

You have a 200.00 offshore plain bearing turbo that can not react well enough to the low exhaust pressure made by your 800cc engine. Then you have a dryer or sewer hose intake that has multiple restrictive bends and is actually trying to pull air through the stock airbox that is clearly restrictive. Then you have an exhaust pipe that covers up half of the turbo exhaust outlet and forces back pressure in to the turbo which causes it to spool slower and restricts flow on the top end.
Once spool up actually occurs, the engine goes to more of a happy place and can burn the fuel to the point where the non intercooled system with an undersized turbo makes so much heat in the intake that you can't make any power. All along the hot air is punishing the reeds as well as the belt dust and other crap that is sneaking past the sewer hose intake and entering the engine.

I have seen these run and have worked on many of them. If you took the sled to a performance shop that builds quality turbo kits for cars and asked for an opinion, you would also not like their opinion.

If you like the kit then thats cool. Like I said earlier, everyone blames the fuel system when a sled is not running which is more or less what you are doing now.
Maybe someone should hold Silbers feet to the fire and make him deliver on his kit. He is the one that ended up with the money for it.

 

[sledhead306]

thanks for the explanation of the turbo kit, I've been wanting your opinion for a while and an actual reason why they suck. I'm not agueing your points because they are actual fact.

 

[Silber]

Lmfao

 

[Holden_magroin]

Neil's box is great, easy to tune and he has great service, very helpful. I can't say I agree with all of his statements on the silber kit but I do know his box made mine run awesome as far as air fuel. I have a silber kit with a boondocker timing key, pulls like a sob at 12psi

 

[Kyle91rs]

It's true. Silber is a nice beginner kit but don't expect to keep up with the big dogs running one. I don't know if their turbos are as cheap as what NM stated but they're still not a quality turbo. I have one of Neil's boost it pros in my riding group and I also have a silber pro in the group as well. The boost it was running Low boost (6-7lbs) all last weekend and was constantly pulling on the silber running 12lbs. I don't mean to offend ^^^silber but it's not something I would put on my sled. The dobeck box is a pos, I don't know why builders keep trying to use them. We had Neil's boost it box installed on the silber kit and it ran soooooooooo much better. No low end bogs or delays in throttle response like there is with the dobeck box. In my opinion, the silber kit worked ok, the quality of which the kit was built in was very good I thought, it did spool fairly well, but there was no comparison to the boost it kit running half the lbs boost, the flow rates of both turbos are easily noticeable. The turbo which neil uses is top notch and seeing them to head to head last weekend I know which turbo I am gonna be getting. The boost it kit even pulled away from the HM guys with ease. I'm no turbo guru I can only explain what I saw with my own eyes. We had a fuel line issue with the silber kit that caused a minor fire to the sled and automatically people that I spoke with thought it was something to do with Neil's kit, which it was not. I don't know if this has anything to do with Neil's decision in not selling to silber customers anymore but all I can say is that that boost it box was the best thing about the whole kit. Some people don't believe in this statement but it's true, you get what you pay for. That silber kit on the pro worked ok, but had to double the boost just to try and keep up to the boost it, which it never did, and I guess it has to do with what NM stated about spool and flow rates. In my opinion, if silber used a different turbo, even a basic garret 2860, with a different fuel controller, it would be a good kit. But like I originally stated, it's a nice beginner kit to get your feet wet in turbo land. Just my .02$ worth..

 

[Holden_magroin]

Not to ridicule my brother here but there are there's a little propaganda in his statement, there was no 7 psi boost it pro constantly pulling on the silber at 12 pounds, even though I will agree the boost it turbo will put out more hp at a lower psi then the silber but not by that great of a margin, And also no one ran the boost it kit side by side with the hm kit, the owner of the boost it pro test rode the hm and said it ran amazing, he didn't believe it was at 7psi like his boost it kit and there is no proof it was because for some reason the hm guys boost gauge was broken at the time. The boost it pro ran very well all weekend, and as far as af ratios and over all tuning the silber kit ran flawlessly once a bit of set up was finished. it was super snappy on the bottom, and was clean amd flawless coming onto boost. the boost it pro will definitely out perfrom the silber as far as hp to boost is concerned, realistically with out getting the chamce to line them up to see for sure it's about 6-7 psi to 9-10 for equal hp it seemed would be a good guess. The boost it pro take a bit of an advantage in the chest deep as well, the silber developed a low end bog due to the exhaust, a tunnel dump would definitely solve that problem, but it was only noticeable in the extreme deep powder. Overall there both great kits, I have delt with both Justin and Neil and they both have amazing customer service. In my opinion it's not so much a matter of who's kit is the better kit because they both have totally different approaches to the same market, it's what kit suits your riding style and your budget.

 

[Jake jenkins]

For starters I'm not the owner of boost it but I was the one that test drove the hm turbo sled on the weekend and I did let one of the hm guys try my boost it pro and yes the hm sled did not have a working boost gauge and I did say it was putting out more then 7 lbs of boost but I couldn't prove it and at 7 lbs of boost I know my sled will out perform hm pro and as for the silber kits there nothing but a f$@king joke lmao , my buddy who ran the silber kit was at 11 to 12 lbs of boost and he couldn't come close to my sled , he was tuning is all weekend where as I didn't have to do sweet f$&k all to mine

 

[Holden_magroin]

Well there is no use to argue if everyone is just going to bs about everything, we will just make a vid of both sleds side by side to put the bs to rest. but jake why don't you tell everyone some facts backing up your statement that the hm turbos had to have been putting out more then 7 psi?

 

[Jake jenkins]

well greg where is your sled now ? oh yeal it caught fire ,but why greg it was a faulty crimp fitting on the fuel line from factory so you say lol and yes i said the hm was working good but still can't say for sure what it was putting out for boost , i could turn up my boost to if i wanted but at 7 lbs i don't need to put yours at 7 lbs and ill go head to head with you any day ( and for pink slips )

 

[Holden_magroin]

Well jake... Since you already proven the accountability of your word and intelligents by stating your not the owner of the boost it pro but later on contradict yourself by saying you are, why don't you inlighten everyone here by giving us some actually facts behind your statement that the hm turbo sled couldnt have been at 7 psi? Simple question

 

[1100]

Well jake... Since you already proven the accountability of your word and intelligents by stating your not the owner of the boost it pro but later on contradict yourself by saying you are, why don't you inlighten everyone here by giving us some actually facts behind your statement that the hm turbo sled couldnt have been at 7 psi? Simple question

I'm pretty sure he was trying to say he doesn't own the company "boost-it"

 

[Jake jenkins]

thats true 1100 thats what i meant greg is just a little slow , if he would of read it carefully he would of understood . greg thinks he's mister know it all when in fact he's just a bag of s@$t

 

[Jake jenkins]

theres a big difference greg holloway about owning "boost it" and owning a boost it pro sled, take your time and read it again you might just get it lol i guess hooked on phonics didn't work that great for you lmao

 

[Holden_magroin]

What ever buddy just sounded stupid because we all know your not the owner, so now why don't you just answer the question

 

[Jake jenkins]

i can't judge how the hm turbo felt it did pull hard yes i didn't say it was no good just that when they tell you there running 7 lbs of boost on pump fuel you know there full of sh$t ,,,I'm willing to put money on that the hm sled was running about 10 lbs of boost on race fuel but i can't prove it .. but ill put my sled up against theres anyday . bottom line greg the silver kit is a piece of sh$t and we all know it except you maybe you and justin from silber should get together and talk about the piece of sh$t turbo that suppose to be the greatest ,,,,, lmao maybe he can help you fix yours back up

 

[Holden_magroin]

whats so hard to believe about running 7 psi on pump? I can run 8 on pump