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Mrlake
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Well my dad used to dirt bike soo he doesnt really care and he is also mechanically inclined soo that could help. I find a 100 pretty small and has noo power soo going bigger will be better, would 250 be too big?
the_real_wild1
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250 or 300 4 stroke would be ok or a 125 2 stroke.
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Mrlake
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the truth is my mom really only hates the danger of the sport, but i am already a hardcore mountain biker and broke a wrist and ankle this year in 2months..... so i would be careful and know my boundaries. But what is so bad about a 250 2 stroke? is it too powerful for me? i need a better understanding of the difference between 2 stroke and 4 stroke.
KWIK RACING INC.
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goggle it! lmao
... no seriously, do that... great way to learn about the differences... goggle 2 stoke vs 4 stroke...
... no seriously, do that... great way to learn about the differences... goggle 2 stoke vs 4 stroke...
teeroy
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I'll give it a go.
a 250 2 stroke mx is a powerful bike. the difference between a two and four stroke is that the two stroke fires with every upward stroke of the piston. a four stroke only fires once every two upward strokes and uses valves to deliver fuel and dump the exhaust on alternating strokes of the piston. the 2 stroke makes more power with less displacement (cubic centimeters, or cc) because of this difference, and is a lot lighter powerplant. fast revving, and can get you in trouble if you are not familiar with the power delivery. the track racing 2 stroke has a "power band", a term used to describe the mid to upper rpm's where they start making their maximum hp. power doesn't come on hard until you reach higher rpm's (like sometimes when you least expect it). the smaller the displacement, the more evident the powerband. the 4 stroke has no power band, delivery is smooth and predictable to max rpm with more torque on the bottom end making it possible to lug the engine for low speed riding in rocks or logs. perfect for learning to ride.
rebuilds are more frequent on a 2 stroke, but the engine is simple with fewer moving parts which translates to less dough for parts. 4 strokes are fairly complex in their design, and therefore more expensive to rebuild....but they last longer than a 2 stroke before you have to do the engine. 4 strokes are also more fuel efficient, and don't require mixing of fuel with oil.
hope this helps you out young fella, search it up on youtube and learn as much as you can. dirt bikes are the absolute most fun of all the machines as far as I am concerned. I would suggest you try and find an older 4 stroke for your first bike, but millions of people have learned on two strokes too.
I'm sure the fellow 2 wheelers on here will add anything I may have overlooked between the two
a 250 2 stroke mx is a powerful bike. the difference between a two and four stroke is that the two stroke fires with every upward stroke of the piston. a four stroke only fires once every two upward strokes and uses valves to deliver fuel and dump the exhaust on alternating strokes of the piston. the 2 stroke makes more power with less displacement (cubic centimeters, or cc) because of this difference, and is a lot lighter powerplant. fast revving, and can get you in trouble if you are not familiar with the power delivery. the track racing 2 stroke has a "power band", a term used to describe the mid to upper rpm's where they start making their maximum hp. power doesn't come on hard until you reach higher rpm's (like sometimes when you least expect it). the smaller the displacement, the more evident the powerband. the 4 stroke has no power band, delivery is smooth and predictable to max rpm with more torque on the bottom end making it possible to lug the engine for low speed riding in rocks or logs. perfect for learning to ride.
rebuilds are more frequent on a 2 stroke, but the engine is simple with fewer moving parts which translates to less dough for parts. 4 strokes are fairly complex in their design, and therefore more expensive to rebuild....but they last longer than a 2 stroke before you have to do the engine. 4 strokes are also more fuel efficient, and don't require mixing of fuel with oil.
hope this helps you out young fella, search it up on youtube and learn as much as you can. dirt bikes are the absolute most fun of all the machines as far as I am concerned. I would suggest you try and find an older 4 stroke for your first bike, but millions of people have learned on two strokes too.
I'm sure the fellow 2 wheelers on here will add anything I may have overlooked between the two
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here is something else I found... enjoy! hehe
[h=1]2 Stroke vs 4 Stroke: What's The Deal Anyway?[/h]
2 stroke vs 4 stroke. Which one is better? Once upon a time there was a huge difference between the way a 4 stroke and a 2 stroke dirt bike performed.
Two stroke motorcycles dominated the motocross and supercross classes because of their high performance and light weight. While the heavier, less nimble thumpers performed at their best in the enduro and trail circuits. Though, they still had to compete against the mad-men that were willing to strap themselves to a 500cc 2 stroke screamer.
Well, since the YZ400F made its debut in 1997, when Doug Henry won the final supercross of the year in Las Vegas on one... things have changed dramatically.
The fours have fast become the dominating force on any track or terrain. Why? Well it seems there are a number of debatable reasons. Their power to weight ratio is almost on par with the 2 strokes - and I simply mean in terms of how a 450cc four stroke is now a lot closer to the weight of a 250cc two stroke, but puts out a similar amount of speed and power. Back in the early 90's four strokes were heavy beasts and were considerably slower than the two's.
With the new and improved thumpers, many people find them easier to ride with their smooth, tractable power delivery. But on the other hand, a lot of riders don't actually want that. They want the thrill, noise and adrenalin of a powerband that only a two stroke can serve up.
So why are the 2 strokes disappearing? Some people believe (and blame) the format of the AMA, and large companies such as Honda have a heavy influence over why we are witnessing the decline of the popular two's. Is it fair that a 450cc four stroke is able to compete against a 250cc two stroke?
It has also been said that another contributing factor to the 2 strokes decline is the pressure felt by government groups and lobbyists to phase them out because of the environmental damage they cause. But how much more pollution do they really put out compared to the 4's? It seems that the technology already exists to create a two stroke engine that is just as, if not more environmentally sound as a four stroke. Is it really because of these environmental issues that the major bike manufacturers are putting little to no effort into the new two-smokes?
To gain a deeper understanding of the way the two engines work, check out the mechanics of a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke.
How good or bad is this for you and I as riders? There is no doubt that the costs of maintaining a 4-stroke are much higher than it's counterpart. Does that seem right to you? With modern technology shouldn't the bikes be more reliable and easier to maintain? And shouldn't we have a choice of what type of bike we prefer to ride?
There is a lot of heated talk going on right now about this topic. Do these big bike manufacturers actually care about what the market place - its customers - want? If so, why is it that most of the Japanese companies aren't improving and developing two-stroke's anymore considering the general consensus seems to be that people want to ride them?
[h=1]2 Stroke vs 4 Stroke: What's The Deal Anyway?[/h]
2 stroke vs 4 stroke. Which one is better? Once upon a time there was a huge difference between the way a 4 stroke and a 2 stroke dirt bike performed.
Two stroke motorcycles dominated the motocross and supercross classes because of their high performance and light weight. While the heavier, less nimble thumpers performed at their best in the enduro and trail circuits. Though, they still had to compete against the mad-men that were willing to strap themselves to a 500cc 2 stroke screamer.
The fours have fast become the dominating force on any track or terrain. Why? Well it seems there are a number of debatable reasons. Their power to weight ratio is almost on par with the 2 strokes - and I simply mean in terms of how a 450cc four stroke is now a lot closer to the weight of a 250cc two stroke, but puts out a similar amount of speed and power. Back in the early 90's four strokes were heavy beasts and were considerably slower than the two's.
With the new and improved thumpers, many people find them easier to ride with their smooth, tractable power delivery. But on the other hand, a lot of riders don't actually want that. They want the thrill, noise and adrenalin of a powerband that only a two stroke can serve up.
So why are the 2 strokes disappearing? Some people believe (and blame) the format of the AMA, and large companies such as Honda have a heavy influence over why we are witnessing the decline of the popular two's. Is it fair that a 450cc four stroke is able to compete against a 250cc two stroke?
It has also been said that another contributing factor to the 2 strokes decline is the pressure felt by government groups and lobbyists to phase them out because of the environmental damage they cause. But how much more pollution do they really put out compared to the 4's? It seems that the technology already exists to create a two stroke engine that is just as, if not more environmentally sound as a four stroke. Is it really because of these environmental issues that the major bike manufacturers are putting little to no effort into the new two-smokes?
To gain a deeper understanding of the way the two engines work, check out the mechanics of a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke.
How good or bad is this for you and I as riders? There is no doubt that the costs of maintaining a 4-stroke are much higher than it's counterpart. Does that seem right to you? With modern technology shouldn't the bikes be more reliable and easier to maintain? And shouldn't we have a choice of what type of bike we prefer to ride?
There is a lot of heated talk going on right now about this topic. Do these big bike manufacturers actually care about what the market place - its customers - want? If so, why is it that most of the Japanese companies aren't improving and developing two-stroke's anymore considering the general consensus seems to be that people want to ride them?
KWIK RACING INC.
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he said he was 5 foot 5 inches and about 100 pounds... so a little fella....hehe
I think he would nt even reach with his tippy toes on a 250 mx bike... a 125 would be enough for him ....in a 2 stroke...
one other quad I thought mite be ok for him is the 4x4 Polaris scrambler 500 HO.... a older one you can get around 2 to3 grand right now, I think... and at 100 pounds the quad would nt even feel him... plus the suspension on the old scramblers was not that bad..
I think he would nt even reach with his tippy toes on a 250 mx bike... a 125 would be enough for him ....in a 2 stroke...
one other quad I thought mite be ok for him is the 4x4 Polaris scrambler 500 HO.... a older one you can get around 2 to3 grand right now, I think... and at 100 pounds the quad would nt even feel him... plus the suspension on the old scramblers was not that bad..
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teeroy
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the ultimate dirt bike in my mind would be a service Honda CRF-X but with a KX engine and gearbox. there isn't much out there that gives you the thrill of a 2 stroke 500cc machine. drool
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well i think i am going with the Suzuki RM 125 for dirt bike at the moment and i went to the biggest motorsports dealership in Canada recently, ( Holeshot motorsports in Langley) and it was awesome i was drooling everywhere. For a quad like @Kwik_racing_INC said the Polaris scrambler 4x4 HO would be a good option ( higher output). It looks awesome too!!!!!
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fidorama
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If I was you, I would look for an older 250 2 stroke rather than a 125. my opinion is 125's may be fairly fast, but to get that power out of them you really need to scream the motors at high RPM, that cuts down on engine life. And honestly when you get into sand and mud, they are underpowered. a 250 can handle a lot more will last you a lot longer, and is a whole lot cheaper and easier to rebuild than any 4 stroke when need be.
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I would go 250 2stroke if you can find one in your price range,you will have some holy sh!t moments but youll learn how to control it and will enjoy the bike longer,A 500 ho scrambler would be good to,I own won,rode it 6 years now and still have a blaston it.2 strokes are comin back, just bought a 2014 KTM 300 2stroke,it has a vry adjusable power band to better suit the type of ridinyour goin to do that day,but i would never let a green rider on it,though the bottem end is easy to control theres plenty of torque but give it to much its gone,:}I love it
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Mrlake
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Sorry guys I am at a cabin and don't have access really will be back on wednesday , I got to ride quads and dirt bikes
talkinghamster
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honestly, have you considered an 85cc?
i think that the handling difference will be beneficial too you.
if you have not alot of expierence with bikes a 125/250 is gonna be alot of bike for you...
also you said you are fairly short and weigh next to nothing, those big bikes might throw you around if you dont know what your doing.
those 85s RIP. also check out a Honda CRF150R. or a kawasaki KX100. or KTM100sx.
just my two cents. but like i said, if you have no prior expierence those 125s/250s got alot of jam.
my first bike when i was 13was a little Yamaha TTR90. i was small for my age, and i could have fit a bigger bike, but i liked the size aspect of the 90. sure enough it turned me into a better rider and then i bought a YZ85 the next year when i was 14, and it was alot of power. rode that for a season or two then got a KTM 150sx which i absolutely loved.
i think that the handling difference will be beneficial too you.
if you have not alot of expierence with bikes a 125/250 is gonna be alot of bike for you...
also you said you are fairly short and weigh next to nothing, those big bikes might throw you around if you dont know what your doing.
those 85s RIP. also check out a Honda CRF150R. or a kawasaki KX100. or KTM100sx.
just my two cents. but like i said, if you have no prior expierence those 125s/250s got alot of jam.
my first bike when i was 13was a little Yamaha TTR90. i was small for my age, and i could have fit a bigger bike, but i liked the size aspect of the 90. sure enough it turned me into a better rider and then i bought a YZ85 the next year when i was 14, and it was alot of power. rode that for a season or two then got a KTM 150sx which i absolutely loved.
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yeah thxs i just want one that can give me power as i am riding on my property everyday an older 1978 kawasaki KM 100 and i think its a lil underpowered soo.... im going by that. 125/ 250 will last me longer too.
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a modern 85cc is going to be leaps and bounds more powerful then that old girl...
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i know that, but like i dont wanna keep buying bikes year after year, and after all i am a teenager so i do grow alot in this time period. I drove a KTM 85 sx not too long ago and only went around a track and all but tires and bike are a little too small. power was great though.
Braddock54
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When I was 12 I started on a RT 100. That got a bit boring once I figured out a manual transmission and learned to ride. Not a ton of power, which was good for learning but didn't leave much to grow into.
Stepped up to a 98 CR 125 and that thing had snap. It was a lot of fun and did just about anything. A 250 would have been too big for me at that point and I was a fair but bigger than you.
A 125 would give you a lot to grow into but it's a lot to start off with.
Stepped up to a 98 CR 125 and that thing had snap. It was a lot of fun and did just about anything. A 250 would have been too big for me at that point and I was a fair but bigger than you.
A 125 would give you a lot to grow into but it's a lot to start off with.
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thanku @braddock54 that info really helped and i also just realised if i can flat foot a bike means i can do donuts and control the bike wayyyy more 
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