Another shot being fired at sledders in the press

[SnowJunkie82]

These groups that you found riding without avy gear were they new or newer to the sport? Or maybe guys/gals that seldom ride the mountains? I know neither of these are excuses for not being prepared, but I have a tough time believing any one that has spent any time mountain riding wouldn't have both the basic av and survival gear on them.

 

[Lund]

These groups that you found riding without avy gear were they new or newer to the sport? Or maybe guys/gals that seldom ride the mountains? I know neither of these are excuses for not being prepared, but I have a tough time believing any one that has spent any time mountain riding wouldn't have both the basic av and survival gear on them.

I don't know and never really asked. It appeared to me that non were brand new newbies at riding but how much experience they had i don't know.

 

[Modman]

Honest question - I've always pondered why can't we have a tiered system? After reading some posts here about the stats, if the results are true, why not have the dispatch ask 1 simple question - Is anyone injured? If not, then the cost is $1000/hr. Bet people would stop calling and start trying to get themselves out of the situation. They also cannot claim that they were not made aware of the costs and therefore must shell out if they decide that rescue is what they really want. Otherwise call a chopper on your own. If yes someone is truly injured then SAR goes out as before, no risk that fatalities are going to increase. Turns out the group is lying about an injury? Here's your bill and sleds/equipment are held as collateral until its paid. Not sure why this wouldn't work.

Lund hit the root cause IMO - brainless people too reliant on sleds and technology these days. Sleds take them where they want to go, they have no understanding on how to truly "sled" (things like packing a trail down an unfamiliar slope as you descend, just in case...how about self-winching with the track...?). Plain and simple - overconfidence and lack of experience in 95% of the cases out there.

 

[Absledder]

As someone who's had family rescued by SAR, I don't think charging is a good idea. There rescue was from river boating, they sucked up a rock while attempting to help another boat stuck on a sandbar (2nd boat was filled with senior citizens and a retarded younger driver). So in this case one person's bad decisions led to 9 people being stranded overnight. I don't think they should all be charged for rescue, when they were just trying to help.

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[LBZ]

As I said before, charging for sar calls is a bad idea. Some people are dumb. Others just might make mistakes. If one or the other dies trying to get out on their own because they were trying to avoid a bill from sar, think of the heyday the media will have with that.

All we as a community can do is things like what Lund did recently and educate and inform.

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[Shadam]

The exact same thing goes on in the ski touring world. Stupidity and unpreparedness.
How about the guy that shows up at a backcountry cabin for an over nite stay20km hike in. Wearing a 1980s onezy with 2 x 2minute noodles stuffed in his tshirt. Cold wet tired hungry no bedding nothing. The other campers were not happy!
The ski hills r full of idiots too. This was a big factor for my crew to buy sleds and get away from these idiots. We c guys
Who buy sleds coz they c how much fun we were having but clearly some of these guys should never leave inbounds skiing. I know a guy who had sar called on him twice, 7 days appart! Same crew in heli and they were not impressed. Both times at gorman. 1 was an over nite in lang, the other he found the vent on gorman lake in super bad vis day. We had to explain lake vents to him, and I still dont think he got it. I dont know wot he used to carry in his pack but not much is clearly the answer.
The ski touring websites often have threads about guys hiking out of bounds with no gear and no clue getting into all sorts of pickles.
But just like the jerry springer target audience, evry year there is a fresh batch of 18yr olds looking to git er dun ...

Oh, and why buy an airbag packpack if ur going to take it off to do "technical riding" ...