all i can say is wow

[rsaint]

You all should stop and think why regional water lines are becoming more common because it wont be if ground water becomes contaminated it will when it happens and not from just fracing from all underground fuel tanks that have been abandoned old flare pits that have been covered up all the oil changes that have been thrown on the grass to kill it ect ect. Have a very good contact in the drilling side of things and there is more damage done to ground water in first 300m in lost circulation.

 

[imdoo'n]

regional water lines are being installed, not because of any oilfield activity, but due to rural families getting there water from dugouts. the field run off is entering the dugouts. Field run off is farm field chemicals( fertilizers, pesticides, weed killers etc. anyone who claims it is due to oilfield activity is an idiot.

watch the program when it airs

 

[frock]

Do you believe your drinking water comes from 3000m? Answer your own question.

No, but I do believe that it's possible to fracture right up to the water table with the horsepower that they are running on these gigantic fracs up in this country. Maybe that's where half the wells in this country disappeared to in a couple months time, what do you think??????

Or maybe it's as rsaint has said we lost our water to surface hole, either way is very hard to prove when you have nothing in the well to test.

 

[sumx54]

No, but I do believe that it's possible to fracture right up to the water table with the horsepower that they are running on these gigantic fracs up in this country. Maybe that's where half the wells in this country disappeared to in a couple months time, what do you think??????

Or maybe it's as rsaint has said we lost our water to surface hole, either way is very hard to prove when you have nothing in the well to test.

There is no way in hell they are fracturing to surface. Just impossible. I do "off set frac monitoring" I've seen the odd frac migrate a SHORT distance through a shared pay zone but if you think it's coming up to surface water than some education is needed. The drilling process is a whole norther story. I think we are talking fracs here no?

 

[frock]

There is no way in hell they are fracturing to surface. Just impossible. I do "off set frac monitoring" I've seen the odd frac migrate a SHORT distance through a shared pay zone but if you think it's coming up to surface water than some education is needed. The drilling process is a whole norther story. I think we are talking fracs here no?

How do you know they can't fracture that far up? Is there a way to look at the formation and determine how far out the fracture has gone?

 

[Snowdin]

How do you know they can't fracture that far up? Is there a way to look at the formation and determine how far out the fracture has gone?

Yes there is a way. Engineers have known it for mega years. and like others have said: there is no friggen way a frac is going to get to surface. All this ridiculous protesting has obviously struck a nerve with some people. Some people who don't have a clue. Go do some research and learn what fracking really is about.

 

[Snowdin]

Don't know about Alberta, but this is very true here in BC. Talisman and Cambrian are allowed to pull 7.3 billion litres of water per year for the shale gas fracking behind us while the townpeople here have been forced to ration water from the exact same source.

Yes using all the fresh water for fracking IMO is stupid stupid. I will agree with that but fracking is NOT harming ground water.

 

[Snowdin]

I would like to see the government make the oil companies use produced water only for fracking and leave the fresh water alone.

 

[imdoo'n]

Watch the program,

 

[frock]

Yes there is a way. Engineers have known it for mega years. and like others have said: there is no friggen way a frac is going to get to surface. All this ridiculous protesting has obviously struck a nerve with some people. Some people who don't have a clue. Go do some research and learn what fracking really is about.

What technology is this Snowdin? If they can look at formations that closely then why are they still drilling dusters? There is science out there that says it is possible for a frac to go a lot further than the oil & gas industry claims. There is also the issue of many, many wells drying up at almost the same time that also coincides with the startup of all the drilling/fracking near us. Is this a coincidence, I don't know and unfortunately like I stated earlier it's hard to gather any evidence from a dry hole in the ground. It may be that this is not due to the fracking, but due to the drilling of these wells.

Snowdin I know what goes on in a frac. Maybe not a modern day one, but I was in on a few fracs 30 years ago with Canadian Fracmaster when I worked for them. Have fracs changed alot since then, probably? One thing is the fracs I've seen up here have a lot more horsepower than anything I've seen before.

 

[rsaint]

Di you have any friggin idea why the regional water lines are being installed. Not because of any oilfield activity, it is due to rural families getting there water from dugouts and the field run off is entering the dugouts. Field run off is farm field chemicals( fertilizers, pesticides, weed killers etc. anyone who claims it is due to oilfield activity is an idiot

Well I have lots of info on regional water lines and no its not because of the oilfield but many human factors and weather related problems and the push for centralized water distribution and very expensive and I see from your comments i wonder who is the idiot.

 

[Snowdin]

The technology they use is to pump a radioactive tracer in the sand and after the frac is done they log the well and find out where that sand went to.

 

[Snowdin]

I wouldn't dispute the fact that some water wells are drying up because of drilling operations but they're not drying up because of fracking.

 

[Trashy]

all I can say is wow

 

[Snowdin]

And this entire dispute is about fracking not drilling practice.

 

[Snowdin]

Groundwater is typically between 100 feet and 300 feet below the Surface. If a frac can make it to the groundwater why wouldn't sometimes that frac come spewing out of the ground and raining down all over the lease I've never heard of this happening before.

 

[sumx54]

What technology is this Snowdin? If they can look at formations that closely then why are they still drilling dusters? There is science out there that says it is possible for a frac to go a lot further than the oil & gas industry claims. There is also the issue of many, many wells drying up at almost the same time that also coincides with the startup of all the drilling/fracking near us. Is this a coincidence, I don't know and unfortunately like I stated earlier it's hard to gather any evidence from a dry hole in the ground. It may be that this is not due to the fracking, but due to the drilling of these wells.

Snowdin I know what goes on in a frac. Maybe not a modern day one, but I was in on a few fracs 30 years ago with Canadian Fracmaster when I worked for them. Have fracs changed alot since then, probably? One thing is the fracs I've seen up here have a lot more horsepower than anything I've seen before.

The fracs you see where ever you're at are absolutely no different than the 15k Duverney fracs in my back yard. My job also consists of running said logs to track the isotopes that are fed into the sand of a frac. If a frac was to breach surface water tables it would for sure show on a seismogragh as an earthquake. Hahahahaha. Just like the protesters, you need to educate yourself. Watch the show.

 

[Burns]

What technology is this Snowdin? If they can look at formations that closely then why are they still drilling dusters? There is science out there that says it is possible for a frac to go a lot further than the oil & gas industry claims. There is also the issue of many, many wells drying up at almost the same time that also coincides with the startup of all the drilling/fracking near us. Is this a coincidence, I don't know and unfortunately like I stated earlier it's hard to gather any evidence from a dry hole in the ground. It may be that this is not due to the fracking, but due to the drilling of these wells.

Snowdin I know what goes on in a frac. Maybe not a modern day one, but I was in on a few fracs 30 years ago with Canadian Fracmaster when I worked for them. Have fracs changed alot since then, probably? One thing is the fracs I've seen up here have a lot more horsepower than anything I've seen before.

The frac cannot get to surface due to simple rock mechanics. Fracs will only grow vertically until the overburden stress is less than the horizontal stress created by mountain building. Generally this happens between 1000 and 1500m. Once the overburden stresses are less than the horizontal stress the fracs grow horizontally like a pancake. Fresh water sources are found at depths generally less than 650m. Cement failure and drilling issues are a hole other ball of wax.


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[LBZ]

Groundwater is typically between 100 feet and 300 feet below the Surface. If a frac can make it to the groundwater why wouldn't sometimes that frac come spewing out of the ground and raining down all over the lease I've never heard of this happening before.

I have been on two fracs where this happened.
One was where the casing split 200m below surface and it migrated to surface.
Both were casing failures and partially due to poor cement and H2S corroding the casing. So it does happen, but not as often as some would like you to believe.
The problem if it occurs is usually due to something related to drilling not the frac. And most often bad cement. Whether the wells were frac'd or not, eventually a problem would have come to surface. People just like to blame the frac process because it's a convenient scapegoat that in reality only exposed the problem.
I will say though that shallow gas fracs are more likely to cause water table issues because many are in the 600-1200m depth range and due to the formation make up (usually coal or shales) the high pressures can cause migration of the fractures and gasses outside of the intended frac zone. Communication issues with the water tables and other producing zones are more prevalent in these areas, but they are much different than the high hp fracs that are being mentioned in this thread.

 

[arff]

all I can say is wow

do you want a beer??