Alberta to implement helmet law for atv

[rzrgade]

Well it is pretty rare I agree with the NDP on anything , I have no issue with a helmet law :
providing it stops at that ! No license, stupid courses , safety inspections, online courses ,any any other green carbon idea the socialists can dream up... For that matter!
In short if it contains anything other than a basic helmet law, it has more sinister intentions ....IMO.

Helmets are becoming the norm in most sports , and that is good .
i assume that if I am of a certain religion / ethnic background though I do not have to wear my helmet ....so this law will not be for everyone. Similar to when the OHV ban was on certain " people " were exempt.
if we choose to go down this road , let's include every one , and not discriminate against people .

Btw , of more interest to me is these constant "hints" about land(atv/dirt bike/SXS) use issues... Such as " enjoy it while you can , things are going to change" etc etc ...
it seems to me if people are in the know it would be in our best interests to put forth what these people are aware of ... Rather than these vague threats & warnings...

But this is a whole other topic , that may make the original post a mute point .... For another day.

 

[Zrock]

We don't need a law telling us what to wear? Look how many atv & SxS deaths every year where the rider was not wearing a helmet.

As good as it would be a driver saftery course or licencing program do you honestly think it would work? Look how many people have a drivers licence and drve like idiots

 

[Zrock]

Well it is pretty rare I agree with the NDP on anything , I have no issue with a helmet law :
providing it stops at that ! No license, stupid courses , safety inspections, online courses ,any any other green carbon idea the socialists can dream up... For that matter!
In short if it contains anything other than a basic helmet law, it has more sinister intentions ....IMO.

Helmets are becoming the norm in most sports , and that is good .
i assume that if I am of a certain religion / ethnic background though I do not have to wear my helmet ....so this law will not be for everyone. Similar to when the OHV ban was on certain " people " were exempt.
if we choose to go down this road , let's include every one , and not discriminate against people .

Btw , of more interest to me is these constant "hints" about land(atv/dirt bike/SXS) use issues... Such as " enjoy it while you can , things are going to change" etc etc ...
it seems to me if people are in the know it would be in our best interests to put forth what these people are aware of ... Rather than these vague threats & warnings...

But this is a whole other topic , that may make the original post a mute point .... For another day.

Their is one thing I do not agree with across Canada. If it's against your religion or background you do not have to wear a helmet. If you want to be canadian then you follow all the laws not just some of them. Piss's me off everytime I see someone riding a motorcycle just wearing a turban.. if some of them can follow the law why not all of them?

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[S.W.A.T.]

Government is eliminating the survival of the fittest.

Why a law?

 

[Kaz Dog]

Btw , of more interest to me is these constant "hints" about land(atv/dirt bike/SXS) use issues... Such as " enjoy it while you can , things are going to change" etc etc ...
it seems to me if people are in the know it would be in our best interests to put forth what these people are aware of ... Rather than these vague threats & warnings...

rzrgade

Nothing vague about it, there is information on government websites about the meetings going on. All you have to do is spend a bit of time google searching it, it is there.

Are you a member of an O.H.V. club or other "recognized stakeholder group" for the purposes of the ongoing discussions about land use? If not, I urge you to at least do this to be kept informed.

I attend these meetings on behalf of my snowmobile club, and my club members know what is going on. There are many "wheeled" O.H.V. organizations at the meetings I attend, so I know those clubs that care about what may or may not happen in the future are represented, and I trust their membership is too.

What I don't get is the individuals in our province who do not belong to a club, who see the results of years of work, a lot of meetings and discussion (sometimes these meetings get very testy - what with all the competing desires for backcountry use represented), and then complain "I was never consulted/knew anything about this". This is an exercise in compromise and democracy at some of its' finest points - it would not happen in Russia or China like it is here.

So I urge you to get informed; join a club if you do not belong to one, or ask of your representatives what is going on if you do. Get on the internet and find out when the next public meeting is - not everything is handed to one on a platter. What is going on "behind the scenes - that we "talk about vaguely" - is a huge commitment, and done in the best interests of all, not the minority who does not like change.

Another thing people could do is google areas where they have organized, dedicated trail systems, as Alberta's will look closer to them then what we have now.

Coming I suspect: Manditory Trail Permit/Fees on public lands (yearly or daily), designated trails with size restrictions (two-wheel, 60 inch, snowmobile, and multi-use), large fines for being caught off trails, large fines for being in wetlands/rivers/creeks, maximum noise level on exhausts. These are specifics, and I am not sure they are a lock to happen, but if you look at other regulated jurisdictions, and taking into account some to the talk around the table, they will happen.

 

[lloydguy]

We don't need a law telling us what to wear? Look how many atv & SxS deaths every year where the rider was not wearing a helmet.

As good as it would be a driver saftery course or licencing program do you honestly think it would work? Look how many people have a drivers licence and drve like idiots

So, tell me how many death's there were last year (IN AB)where a lack of a helmet is what killed them.
It wasn't speed and driving like an idiot right...............
Have you ever heard in the new's "guy was driving slower that what was safe to do so,he knew the area well
and wasn't doing anything stupid.He would have walked away,but because he wasn't wearing a helmet he was
killed "
I don't f'n think so.
I don't feel I have the right to tell other's what to do.I also feel they have no right to tell me what to do.
Plain and simple.
If I'm in the ditch picking up garbage on my quad at 2mph and I don't want to wear a helmet,that's my choice
not any of your's.So, IMO- F off if you don't like it.
People get injured and even die all of the time doing stupid sh*t, so do some of you people expect the government
to save you from yourselves by making all of the stupid sh*t "illegal"?

I think ALOT of people are only alive today because of government forced warning label's on blow dryer's
" DO NOT USE IN THE SHOWER OR BATH TUB "

 

[Zrock]

I could bring up the stats pretty easily! But I know of at least 10 deaths were not speed related or even close to having anything to do with speed. I don't really care if your doing 1mph it only takes 1 well placed rock or culvert to topple your machine and crush your skull... hell if it was not for my helmet deflecting a branch on a trail that someone sharpened to a point I would have been dead. And I was just putting down the trail not more than 5km. But hey your indestructible and nothing will hurt you. Glad my 7 year old is smarter than that

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[lloydguy]

My safety is not your concern,your's is not mine.I NEVER said helmet's were a bad idea,
I said someone making personal decision's for someone else is.
A helmet saved your life from a branch at 5kph?really? AND WTF does that have to do with me?
I never said I was indestructible and nothing would hurt me. LEARN TO READ..........
MY LIFE IS MINE,YOUR'S IS YOUR'S.DO YOU WANT IT IN SMALLER WORD'S?
Since you could do it "easily", tell me how many of those 10 death's last year were ONLY because
the person was not wearing a helmet.

 

[Ronaha]

I never tell cityiots how to live thier lives but for some reason they have a huge vested interest in telling me how to live my life. This Brian Mason explains we haven't worked out details yet if private land owners have to wear them or not blah blah....he doesn't even understand he has no right to a persons property, erogant twit talks like we work for them, they don't work for us....bullshat not the way it should be.P.S everyone I KNOW ALREADY WEARS one.....it doesn't make any sence not too, it keeps the weather off you head lol

 

[Lund]

I never tell cityiots how to live thier lives but for some reason they have a huge vested interest in telling me how to live my life. This Brian Mason explains we haven't worked out details yet if private land owners have to wear them or not blah blah....he doesn't even understand he has no right to a persons property, erogant twit talks like we work for them, they don't work for us....bullshat not the way it should be.P.S everyone I KNOW ALREADY WEARS one.....it doesn't make any sence not too, it keeps the weather off you head lol

I think your statement would be 100% true if you paid 100% of ALL your medical need's, NO public funding. But being that is not the case, every individual as tax payer's have a say on this. Unfortunately your out gun by the majority and it only make's sense, even the club's are advocating the helmet laws.

 

[DaveB]

I think your statement would be 100% true if you paid 100% of ALL your medical need's, NO public funding. But being that is not the case, every individual as tax payer's have a say on this. Unfortunately your out gun by the majority and it only make's sense, even the club's are advocating the helmet laws.

Where the hell do you think public funding comes from?

 

[rzrgade]

rzrgade

Nothing vague about it, there is information on government websites about the meetings going on. All you have to do is spend a bit of time google searching it, it is there.

Are you a member of an O.H.V. club or other "recognized stakeholder group" for the purposes of the ongoing discussions about land use? If not, I urge you to at least do this to be kept informed.

I attend these meetings on behalf of my snowmobile club, and my club members know what is going on. There are many "wheeled" O.H.V. organizations at the meetings I attend, so I know those clubs that care about what may or may not happen in the future are represented, and I trust their membership is too.

What I don't get is the individuals in our province who do not belong to a club, who see the results of years of work, a lot of meetings and discussion (sometimes these meetings get very testy - what with all the competing desires for backcountry use represented), and then complain "I was never consulted/knew anything about this". This is an exercise in compromise and democracy at some of its' finest points - it would not happen in Russia or China like it is here.

So I urge you to get informed; join a club if you do not belong to one, or ask of your representatives what is going on if you do. Get on the internet and find out when the next public meeting is - not everything is handed to one on a platter. What is going on "behind the scenes - that we "talk about vaguely" - is a huge commitment, and done in the best interests of all, not the minority who does not like change.

Another thing people could do is google areas where they have organized, dedicated trail systems, as Alberta's will look closer to them then what we have now.

Coming I suspect: Manditory Trail Permit/Fees on public lands (yearly or daily), designated trails with size restrictions (two-wheel, 60 inch, snowmobile, and multi-use), large fines for being caught off trails, large fines for being in wetlands/rivers/creeks, maximum noise level on exhausts. These are specifics, and I am not sure they are a lock to happen, but if you look at other regulated jurisdictions, and taking into account some to the talk around the table, they will happen.

As I said this is for a different thread, but trust me I have lots of questions ...rather than have the many thousand of members burning up Google , would it not make more sense for a " club member" to update us with facts , rather than the vague wild speculation that appears on this site quite regularly?
For example : the vast majority of SXS sold today out west are over 60 inchs wide . Are the club representatives okay with banning these in the future?
Again I will not continue this in this thread , as it is off the OPs topic , however i look forward to some answers to a lot of questions from club members as well as individuals that are effected....

Thanks for the input....

 

[Zrock]

out of the aprox 114 deaths per year in AB 77% of them were related due to no helmet, 44% of those were not speed related and here is the kicker 43% of those were children under the age of 16. Im sure the AB gov would like to take the 16 million it spent in hospital care for atv related injury's and put it into something better.

 

[Ronaha]

Yah......like bathroom door signs

 

[BIG DAWG]

Yah......like bathroom door signs

so true

 

[LBZ]

I think your statement would be 100% true if you paid 100% of ALL your medical need's, NO public funding. But being that is not the case, every individual as tax payer's have a say on this. Unfortunately your out gun by the majority and it only make's sense, even the club's are advocating the helmet laws.

Exactly my point. Not to mention as I said before the physical and emotional impact imposed on first responders and everyone else that has to deal with you as a result of YOUR choice.

BTW, it's illegal to operate an off road vehicle in the ditch next to any numbered roadway in Alberta. No matter how slow you are moving.

 

[LBZ]

Where the hell do you think public funding comes from?

Why should I have to pay someone else's bills for their poor choices? I'd rather my public funding go elsewhere.

 

[arff]

Exactly my point. Not to mention as I said before the physical and emotional impact imposed on first responders and everyone else that has to deal with you as a result of YOUR choice.

BTW, it's illegal to operate an off road vehicle in the ditch next to any numbered roadway in Alberta. No matter how slow you are moving.

This also goes along with sky diving, Avalanche rescues and any other sport that costs money to rescue people.
Plus hospital costs Etc.

 

[mareshow]

out of the aprox 114 deaths per year in AB 77% of them were related due to no helmet, 44% of those were not speed related and here is the kicker 43% of those were children under the age of 16. Im sure the AB gov would like to take the 16 million it spent in hospital care for atv related injury's and put it into something better.

and what about alcohol...?

 

[DaveB]

and what about alcohol...?

That's already illegal. Helps a lot.

And just like drinking and driving, the smart ones will wear their helmets (with or without a law) and the dum-dums will not.