2018 Mountian Cat ... Peek see

[roadlinur113]

Yet they have been putting them on HCR's since 09

Not super knowledgeable about the Cats but I think in the HCR ( Hill Climb Racer )case it's a race requirement to have a tether cord which is probably the reason it's factory equipment? I like the way Doo does it with their combo key / tether...especially the newer RF ones....make much better contact than the earlier often annoying models.

 

[firstdoo]

Alberta Cycle has one sitting in there showroom


To bad they're closed today. Was going to head into the city to have a look. Wonder if they're the only Edmonton area dealer that has one.

 

[catmando]

Call argyle they might have one


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[Mike270412]

Pretty sure they all have them.

Alberta Cycle has one sitting in there showroom


To bad they're closed today. Was going to head into the city to have a look. Wonder if they're the only Edmonton area dealer that has one.

 

[catmando]

Me too but best to call


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[TylerG]

Pretty sure they all have them.
Echo Cycle told me the other week that they hadn't ordered any early season units.

Rode with this one all weekend.

 

[Modman]

Spoke with a factory guy about this earlier this year. Interesting response - "Manufacturer does not want to put the tether on as they don't want to assume the risk and liability in case it doesn't work as intended." Interesting angle.

1) All other manufacturers make and install them. Don't know of any lawsuits but have not google searched it but unlikely to find many I'm guessing.
2) Wonder what the failure rate is, but I think its very low. If they are concerned about product quality (doubt it but just hypothesizing), spend a few more and have it well made. Again, they have been around for what...35 yrs? in all types of motorsports.. with very low failure rate. I don't think its a product quality fear.
3) A large portion of riders (on every other brand that factory installs them) don't wear them anyway (neither would half of the Cat riders as well likely), so its already not being (or not going to be) used in the manner intended. It won't work if they don't have it on, therefore likelihood of liability is..... zero in those cases at least.
4) With that logic, could you not say the same for brake systems, so why install them also? Cat also has the throttle cut out switch, why do they install that with the logic? Same with seatbelts on Side by Sides? If poor maintenance causes failure, its not the manufacturers problem. A note in the owners manual stating a pre-ride inspection and test of the tether would likely make it hard for someone to sue without real cause unless it was defective product.
5) If the Canadian govt made them mandatory (which I believe they should), then they would be legislated to put them on or not sell sleds here. I'm betting money they wouldn't start closing dealers over a tether.

All that being said, I give them props for being the easiest to install of all the brands. They've figured out that at least if they won't install them, making it very easy for the consumer is the next best thing, so thanks for that. Only painful thing is drilling a hole in your brand new sled!

Back to the original point of this thread.

I love the fact they finally made the CTEC 800. This is going to be an amazing engine. With the changes and improvements they've made, it will be a great handling sled with an smooth drivetrain and snow transition and good power and fuel consumption, Cat might be the mountain sled to beat this year, even without a 174" in the lineup.

 

[pistoncontracting]

Why should tethers be mandatory? Would they then give people tickets for not wearing them?

Like you said, 90% of the people who have them on the sleds don't wear them anyway. If they were as much of a necessity as some make them out to believe, wouldn't more riders/bystanders be dead??
FWIW- I've actually seen a few times where the tether got tangled up and failed to function in the very situation it could have been of some benefit. Not surprising though, nothing bad happened anyway.

More regulation is NEVER the answer.\


Anyway- back to celebrating the majestic new machine!

 

[lilduke]

I never use to wear a tether till my friends brother got his arm ripped off at the elbow and thrown 100feet last year.

Won't ride without one ever again.


New Cat looks dope.

 

[blubbles]

What do you mean easiest to install of all brands? - Doo have come with them for a while from factory now....

 

[kanedog]

I'm curious as to why guys are so hung up on the 174"s though. The 162 3" seems to work so well. And I've yet to see a 170" anything, do anything in the terrain we ride, that a 162 can't. The same can be said for turbos though, but that's wayyyyyy off topic.
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The reason people like a 174" is that the terrain they ride is super steep and sometimes deep in some instances. Steep, as in come over backwards steep. The length helps keep the front end down which in some situations, can mean the difference between totalling a 20k sled or not. On the extreme side, 174" can save your life. Think about a steep steep climb or side hill above a 300 ft rock face. You need all the traction and stability possible. A shorter track than possible takes away some of your survival points. Yea, it's dumb but it's done everyday. A 162" in these situations is dangerous and in extreme cases may contribute to serious injury or death.
That is why you only see 174's on the Revy guys chute climbing adventures.
The 162" limits the terrain that you can access unless the 162" rider is really skilled and has a decade or more backcountry experience, had a good sled mentor and possesses a somewhat natural ability to sled. The non-cabin dwellers I like to call them.
For the adventurous and where terrain dictates, 174 is king.
Back on topic.

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[adamg]

What do you mean easiest to install of all brands? - Doo have come with them for a while from factory now....

And his description of installation on the Cat is identical to a Polaris tether install.

 

[lilduke]

the narliest pull ive ever seen done in Revy was Chris Brown on a 163 ... lmao I've personally climbed some stupid steep "turbo only" Revy chutes on a stock 154 in the spring.

Gimme a break....

 

[tmo1620]

Not super knowledgeable about the Cats but I think in the HCR ( Hill Climb Racer )case it's a race requirement to have a tether cord which is probably the reason it's factory equipment? I like the way Doo does it with their combo key / tether...especially the newer RF ones....make much better contact than the earlier often annoying models.

Yes exactly right but his excuse still doesn't have a leg to stand on, if its on one they still have "liability" issues, the hcr is "race designed" but i have one and im not a racer, the reason is purely financial, more accessories you can sell at dealerships the more money everyone makes, they know most people that ride mtns will pay to get one installed, especially after an incident, its a win win, they get money from the consumer buying one, dealer gets money on the install as most dont install themselves and they make a % on the part, also after an incident more parts may have gotten wrecked so $ to be made fixing as well, only real reason they do it like that


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[tmo1620]

I'm curious as to why guys are so hung up on the 174"s though. The 162 3" seems to work so well. And I've yet to see a 170" anything, do anything in the terrain we ride, that a 162 can't. The same can be said for turbos though, but that's wayyyyyy off topic.
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The reason people like a 174" is that the terrain they ride is super steep and sometimes deep in some instances. Steep, as in come over backwards steep. The length helps keep the front end down which in some situations, can mean the difference between totalling a 20k sled or not. On the extreme side, 174" can save your life. Think about a steep steep climb or side hill above a 300 ft rock face. You need all the traction and stability possible. A shorter track than possible takes away some of your survival points. Yea, it's dumb but it's done everyday. A 162" in these situations is dangerous and in extreme cases may contribute to serious injury or death.
That is why you only see 174's on the Revy guys chute climbing adventures.
The 162" limits the terrain that you can access unless the 162" rider is really skilled and has a decade or more backcountry experience, had a good sled mentor and possesses a somewhat natural ability to sled. The non-cabin dwellers I like to call them.
For the adventurous and where terrain dictates, 174 is king.
Back on topic.

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Buddy your out to lunch, all a 174 does is put idiots and newbs where they shouldn't be, ive personally out ridden every person ive ridden with on a 174, and i ride a 153 and a 162, all these guys are semi new to mtn riding or have been riding as long as i have and $ is not an option for them so they buy the most expensive sled and think they are dope cause its a "174" they look stupid as hell when a 153 comes to where they are to help them, cat wont do a 174 just simply because the market isnt as strong on them, they sell 162's all across the continent, market for 174's is west only and even then a small % there, Chris Burandt rides some of the gnarliest terrain and he runs a 163, someone better tell him hes being extremely unsafe lol, gimme a break


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[pistoncontracting]

The reason people like a 174" is that the terrain they ride is super steep and sometimes deep in some instances. Steep, as in come over backwards steep. The length helps keep the front end down which in some situations, can mean the difference between totalling a 20k sled or not. On the extreme side, 174" can save your life. Think about a steep steep climb or side hill above a 300 ft rock face. You need all the traction and stability possible. A shorter track than possible takes away some of your survival points. Yea, it's dumb but it's done everyday. A 162" in these situations is dangerous and in extreme cases may contribute to serious injury or death.
That is why you only see 174's on the Revy guys chute climbing adventures.
The 162" limits the terrain that you can access unless the 162" rider is really skilled and has a decade or more backcountry experience, had a good sled mentor and possesses a somewhat natural ability to sled. The non-cabin dwellers I like to call them.
For the adventurous and where terrain dictates, 174 is king.
Back on topic.

So, just so I understand this- someone with no experience won't be able to access the most gnarliest of terrain on a 162, but simply by adding another row and a half of paddles into the snow -VIOLA- they can run with 10 year veterans of the back country ??

That sounds almost as silly, as last year when the G4 came out in 165. And every single BRP guy went out of there way to say that the 174 was no longer needed- right after we heard nothing but that the 174 was the only way to go. Fast forward to this year, and we hear the same tired story- need to have a 174, nothing else compares.

What a 174 does do for the most part, is give inexperienced people a fall sense of confidence.... and the rest of us something to laugh at.

Anyway, cheers

 

[Modman]

Why should tethers be mandatory? Would they then give people tickets for not wearing them?

Like you said, 90% of the people who have them on the sleds don't wear them anyway. If they were as much of a necessity as some make them out to believe, wouldn't more riders/bystanders be dead??
FWIW- I've actually seen a few times where the tether got tangled up and failed to function in the very situation it could have been of some benefit. Not surprising though, nothing bad happened anyway.

More regulation is NEVER the answer.\


Anyway- back to celebrating the majestic new machine!

If you've ever seen the aftermath of a rogue sled with full throttle on you'd know why. In addition to the reason lilduke mentioned. Will try and pull some pics from one that went wild in the Boulder parking lot a few yrs ago. Its not about the cops or govt at all so take off the tinfoil hat. Its about 1) protecting your fellows sledders and property and 2) protecting your own investment.

 

[kanedog]

Buddy your out to lunch, all a 174 does is put idiots and newbs where they shouldn't be, ive personally out ridden every person ive ridden with on a 174, and i ride a 153 and a 162, all these guys are semi new to mtn riding or have been riding as long as i have and $ is not an option for them so they buy the most expensive sled and think they are dope cause its a "174" they look stupid as hell when a 153 comes to where they are to help them, cat wont do a 174 just simply because the market isnt as strong on them, they sell 162's all across the continent, market for 174's is west only and even then a small % there, Chris Burandt rides some of the gnarliest terrain and he runs a 163, someone better tell him hes being extremely unsafe lol, gimme a break


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The fella didn't understand why a 174 was needed. If you read my post, I said that an experienced rider on a 162" can go where a 174 will. More so, I was talking about the terrain where a 174 is better. The guy may only have sledded in an area where the mountains are more like hills. Who knows. If your inexperienced, on a 162, you don't have a chance to go where a 174 will. Just trying to make a simple explanation. I wasnt saying that an inexperienced rider should run out and get a 174 to take him to gnarly places. Maybe it didn't come out like that. Not trying to insult any fellow sledders. Sheesh. Low snow=big Internet tempers.

 

[pistoncontracting]

If you've ever seen the aftermath of a rogue sled with full throttle on you'd know why. In addition to the reason lilduke mentioned. Will try and pull some pics from one that went wild in the Boulder parking lot a few yrs ago. Its not about the cops or govt at all so take off the tinfoil hat. Its about 1) protecting your fellows sledders and property and 2) protecting your own investment.

I don't doubt for a minute, that it does add to the safety. What I'm saying though, is to think that by simply haveing it on the machine is going to save you- your sadly mistakin. I've seen more then once, where the tether was wound up, and didn't deploy when the rider fell off.

It's no different then the av pack fad. Everyone needs to wear one, but the vast majority leaves the trigger safely stowed away all day.

Might they help, sure. Do I think people who do use them shouldn't- of course not. But wearing a teck vest/neck guard would be far more beneficial in many of those cases... that's all I'm saying.

Cheers

 

[niner]

Buddy your out to lunch, all a 174 does is put idiots and newbs where they shouldn't be, ive personally out ridden every person ive ridden with on a 174, and i ride a 153 and a 162, all these guys are semi new to mtn riding or have been riding as long as i have and $ is not an option for them so they buy the most expensive sled and think they are dope cause its a "174" they look stupid as hell when a 153 comes to where they are to help them, cat wont do a 174 just simply because the market isnt as strong on them, they sell 162's all across the continent, market for 174's is west only and even then a small % there, Chris Burandt rides some of the gnarliest terrain and he runs a 163, someone better tell him hes being extremely unsafe lol, gimme a break


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I'll just say this, your 153 isn't going to come within 200' of my 174. Would have been nice to see a 174 powerclaw, but for us crappy riders there is always the aftermarket.