2014 Yamaha Viper

[Weirboondocking]

I am going to miss the Suzuki, its been a good run with them. I always owned Yamaha's till the went to the 4 strokes so if we have to get a motor from anyone Yamaha would be who I would like it to come from.

 

[Bnorth]

In the 2014 mountain cats ive been told by a reliable source the 100 non turbo is gone. The 1100Turbo is gonna retain the same motor. As for the 2 strokes was told a new 600 DI and a 8something cc DI motor coming that will have approx 175hp from the factory. The new 2 stroke motors will be utilizing the direct injection technology that yamaha has used for years on the outboards. Which was the reason that BRP bought johnson/evinrude years ago was for their fuel technology that gee is now used on there sleds. And yes the cats still meet emissions standards but they are pushing towards the future. Aswell i heard they will be taking 30 pounds or more off the sleds, so that'll get them close the poo weights with alot more power.

Sounds like your source is dreaming big Glen.

 

[deeker]

Would that suck being a Yamaha salesman sitting at your desk looking at the showroom floor filled with new 2011 sleds. ( the poor yamaha salesman would get confussed is 2011 or 2013?? ) But then maybe it would suck being a saleman at a doo dealer looking at a empty showroom floor for 8 hours a day. Both sales dudes would need a huge stack of porn to pass the day. But i'm sure this new sled from yamaha is going to change things for the yamaha salesman.

 

[CUSO]

Yamaha is a motor company, Arctic cat isn't. I really doubt you will ever see Cat having a say in any Yamaha motors ever. Thus no two strokes from Yamaha.

Just sayin'

If ya think about it, now Yamaha does not have to expend money on chassis design......more money into engine design? Remember, Cat is paying for engines and may even have a say in engine development with Yamaha......There may be alot more to this story than anyone of us know....like Cat having rights to turbo the nytro engine in their own mountain chassis? A new 3 cylinder DI 2 stroke? Who knows what the future will bring..... I don't think there is much room to make the sleds any lighter......

 

[Kibbels]

Now back to our regular broad casting XM Radio

Here I thought I would get a thank u from Maxwell!!!

 

[Kibbels]

Yamaha is a motor company, Arctic cat isn't. I really doubt you will ever see Cat having a say in any Yamaha motors ever. Thus no two strokes from Yamaha.

Just sayin'

Never say Never... Just sayin!!

 

[lilduke]

Cat builds the chassis', Yamaha builds the motors. Less development and R&D for both so... both win. Not hard to understand. Obviously they partnered with Cat and not Doo for a reason (Poo doesn't have a chassis that can accept a 4 stroke motor). Cat chassis is durable and so is Yammy's motor. Yamaha gets a way better chassis to match the powerplant.

People can squwakkkk about market share for sales but when you build a sled that lasts you don't need to sell a million of them each year because you're not building a disposable sled (i.e. the KIA of snowmobiles) that you toss out or have to rebuild after 2 seasons. You gain overall # of sleds on the snow because they aren't worn out after 3000 kms....or breaking suspensions at 300 kms.....or starting on fire.

Yamaha is offering the sled at MSRP of $12,649, cheaper than the 800 ETEC MXZ and will last 10 times as long with only minimal chassis maintenance.

An Etec isnt even close to worn out at 3000kms.

 

[Bnorth]

I just don't get it, why would you buy a Yamaha with a heavy non-turbo triple that you have to boost, stretch the tunnel, track, and skid on when you can go next door and buy the 1100 turbo and install a big chute kit?

 

[duck]

Yamaha is a motor company, Arctic cat isn't. I really doubt you will ever see Cat having a say in any Yamaha motors ever. Thus no two strokes from Yamaha.

Just sayin'

What I meant is that Artic crap has their specifications they would like met...... same as Avro wanting the iroqouis engine in the arrow to doo mach 2....lol

 

[Modman]

......There may be alot more to this story than anyone of us know.... A new 3 cylinder DI 2 stroke? ....

Exactly, there is much to learn grasshoppers. My bet is chassis swap for DI tech down the road in a 2 smoker, as Yammy phases more and more 2 smokers out of their line up they have less need for the tech. Glen is probably close, Cat 800 DI motor, 170-180 HP. They will have to keep it within certain specs though for racing, so not sure about increasing displacement or they will DQ themselves. Don't know about 30 lbs loss though, that would have some serious structural implications or serious cost implications IMO. Look at Poo, glue is just not enough to hold a mountain sled together and getting fancy with materials will spike the costs big time.

Can't ever see a triple 2 smoker again, unless they bring it back for the eastern crowd, even with DI. Would need a different chassis than what is currently offered as triple pipes would not fit in the current ones. Or would have to be a stock triple with single pipe, which offers no advantage than the current twins and costs more to manufacturer.

 

[duck]

An Etec isnt even close to worn out at 3000kms.

Not the top end......just the bearings

 

[tantrumpipeline]

Not the top end......just the bearings

My buddies 11 freeride has 5600km and nothing has been done but yearly plugs and gas and oil, if that's not good enough for you I don't know what would please you

 

[lilduke]

Not the top end......just the bearings

Crank bearings? Ive seen plenty of etecs with 6 or 7000k on them with no issues, that still run like a top?

 

[duck]

My buddies 11 freeride has 5600km and nothing has been done but yearly plugs and gas and oil, if that's not good enough for you I don't know what would please you

A new doo......lol

 

[duck]

Crank bearings? Ive seen plenty of etecs with 6 or 7000k on them with no issues, that still run like a top?

Thats great!!!!!.....they are all ticking time bombs. Its the price you pay for 160 hp in a lightweight package....just sayin'

 

[Modman]

An Etec isnt even close to worn out at 3000kms.

LOL sure OK, most guys will be doing a top end by 5,000 kms (and a crank re-grease at least if not a long block...) on the Doo and the Yammy needs its first oil change at that interval, I'll consider this debate over.

 

[LBZ]

warranty?

X2. You could swap the stock spinner out or mod it, throw parts at it to make it better and still have a bottom end built for a turbo.

 

[maxwell]

In the 2014 mountain cats ive been told by a reliable source the 100 non turbo is gone. The 1100Turbo is gonna retain the same motor. As for the 2 strokes was told a new 600 DI and a 8something cc DI motor coming that will have approx 175hp from the factory. The new 2 stroke motors will be utilizing the direct injection technology that yamaha has used for years on the outboards. Which was the reason that BRP bought johnson/evinrude years ago was for their fuel technology that gee is now used on there sleds. And yes the cats still meet emissions standards but they are pushing towards the future. Aswell i heard they will be taking 30 pounds or more off the sleds, so that'll get them close the poo weights with alot more power.

i can fire up 3 etecs in my trailer or 1 800ho cat. guess which sleds smoke you out of the trailer first. i would think if they are meeting the emmisions standards they might have to do something in the near future to secure there 2 stroke lineup

 

[lilduke]

LOL sure OK, most guys will be doing a top end by 5,000 kms (and a crank re-grease at least if not a long block...) on the Doo and the Yammy needs its first oil change at that interval, I'll consider this debate over.

There isnt really any debate..lol Ive got U telling me that they need a top end by 5000k (which isnt a big deal to do any way) And friends I ride with every week, and guys that rent 10 of these out, that have way more k's then that with 0 issues.So I know my opion on this.

Id rather rebuild a motor every 1000k than ride that artic/yamaha tank, you can ride what ever want,I bet you dont ride an etec tho...lol

 

[maxwell]

There isnt really any debate..lol Ive got U telling me that they need a top end by 5000k (which isnt a big deal to do any way) And friends I ride with every week, and guys that rent 10 of these out, that have way more k's then that 0 issues.So I know my opion on this.

Id rather rebuild a motor every 1000k than ride that artic/yamaha tank, you can ride what ever want,I bet you dont ride an etec tho...lol

exactly. NO DEBATE. there are those that want to run heavy reliable sleds and those who want to run lightweight more maintenance intensive sleds. cant argue either way. totally preference