2013 Ram 3500 Fuel Filters

[Dawizman]

I get synthetic rotella, fleetguard oil and both fuel filters for $200, and change it all at 20,000 on my 2016

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[Cyle]

You have to remember most of the time the guys doing oil and filter changes are lube techs. Guys just starting out in the trade.

In some cases yes, but not all the time, there was a guy at great west doing oil changes for probably 5 years or more who was ok. If you can't figure out how to do an oil change within a few hours, you are a special kind of stupid. Granted most dealerships are no better and I watch them closely, the service manager at derrick dodge doesn't even know how to properly check the oil in a vehicle I had a pretty good argument with him over it, but you can't fix stupid, i'm not letting them touch my truck. You'd think they'd know what the manual says for how to do simple things like that? Or when I notice one of the screws on my air box is missing so I point it out and ask them to replace it (at that point no one but them had ever touched the truck) and get told "there is still 2 more there, it's fine". They probably think it's ok because they have a fawking screw missing from their head

 

[sled-fiend]

Buy the oem filter set off eBay and do it yourself. It's very easy, YouTube it if you have any questions.

 

[the_real_wild1]

In some cases yes, but not all the time, there was a guy at great west doing oil changes for probably 5 years or more who was ok. If you can't figure out how to do an oil change within a few hours, you are a special kind of stupid. Granted most dealerships are no better and I watch them closely, the service manager at derrick dodge doesn't even know how to properly check the oil in a vehicle I had a pretty good argument with him over it, but you can't fix stupid, i'm not letting them touch my truck. You'd think they'd know what the manual says for how to do simple things like that? Or when I notice one of the screws on my air box is missing so I point it out and ask them to replace it (at that point no one but them had ever touched the truck) and get told "there is still 2 more there, it's fine". They probably think it's ok because they have a fawking screw missing from their head

If you have a guy doing only oil changes for 5 years then there is some kinda stupid. But again not everyone wants to work for a living and make more then minimum wage.

 

[takethebounce]

Two local Dodge dealers the filters run $75 and $85 respectively for OEM so I do not see any savings purchasing them online. My truck gives me a % remaining on the fuel filters and it will work out to about 22,000-24,000km

 

[iceman5689]

Unless your sending samples for analysis, i'd change it more often then 24,000 or when the "computer" tells you to change it. I run 10 micron water separator and3 micron fuel separator, and still change them no more then 25,000k

 

[sirkdev]

Buy the oem filter set off eBay and do it yourself. It's very easy, YouTube it if you have any questions.

Be careful with this eBay is chalk full of knock off reproduced crap filters lately.. you want to make sure you are getting a quality manufacturer

 

[JustChilling19]

You can buy directly from Cummins for about $170 for both. Will be picking up two new filters tomorrow and having them installed. Called around and did a bunch of digging on this, most common answer is its not normal but could be based on time since last change, idle time, quality of fuel, Kms driven etc.

 

[Dawizman]

Unless your sending samples for analysis, i'd change it more often then 24,000 or when the "computer" tells you to change it. I run 10 micron water separator and3 micron fuel separator, and still change them no more then 25,000k

Why then, is Cummins specifying a 24,000km oil change interval on the newer trucks?

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[takethebounce]

Why then, is Cummins specifying a 24,000km oil change interval on the newer trucks?

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Because they know nothing.


I would never see a 24,000km change on mine as I go over the 24,000/6 mos interval they suggest. So I average 12,000km changes.

I also have my oil sent in and the reports come back fine and suggest I take it out to 20,000km or more. So I cannot see 24,000km being an issue. And it's their warranty cost if I have an issue. If they felt there was going to be an issue would there be a 5 year 160,000km warranty?

And I believe he was specifying the fuel filter and not following the trucks monitor but again I have no problems following that. With two fuel filters now there is good filtration.


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[Dawizman]

Because they know nothing.


I would never see a 24,000km change on mine as I go over the 24,000/6 mos interval they suggest. So I average 12,000km changes.

I also have my oil sent in and the reports come back fine and suggest I take it out to 20,000km or more. So I cannot see 24,000km being an issue. And it's their warranty cost if I have an issue. If they felt there was going to be an issue would there be a 5 year 160,000km warranty?

And I believe he was specifying the fuel filter and not following the trucks monitor but again I have no problems following that. With two fuel filters now there is good filtration.


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I put a ton of miles on mine. 24000km takes about 4 months. I'm going to continue to change oil and all three filters at that interval too. I sent a sample off when I changed the first time at 24,000 because I was sceptical, and it came back with life still remaining. $200 for oil and three oem filters is cheap enough to do three times a year.

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[sirkdev]

I put a ton of miles on mine. 24000km takes about 4 months. I'm going to continue to change oil and all three filters at that interval too. I sent a sample off when I changed the first time at 24,000 because I was sceptical, and it came back with life still remaining. $200 for oil and three oem filters is cheap enough to do three times a year.

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epa mandated emissions for total cost of owner ship. Less oil changes creates less waste. Let's be clear the EPA is not looking out for longevity of your engine.

 

[Flatlander_01]

We have approx 40 cummins diesels running in the field, we change the oil and fuel filters once a month approx 720hrs X 60km an hour= 43,200kms changing fuel filters on a pickup at 24,000kms is a reasonable interval IMO.

 

[takethebounce]

epa mandated emissions for total cost of owner ship. Less oil changes creates less waste. Let's be clear the EPA is not looking out for longevity of your engine.

It doesn't change the fact that when performing oil analysis at these intervals the fluids are still well within accepted ranges.

Sure the EPA gets involved but fluid performance does not appear to be suffering.




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[sirkdev]

I agree if oil analysis is good that is great.. carry on I will keep changing oil on mine these things are too expensive to take a chance for me.

 

[0neoldfart]

I guess it depends if you plan to keep the truck for a while or not, but here's my opinion as a red seal tech with experience on the series B engine since its introduction on the Dodge in 1989, (and I've owned several since myself):
- The EGR system on the new trucks just pump soot back into the engine. Soot is carbon, and is a great abrasive. In short, change your oil regularly, unless you plan to delete the emissions systems. I switch to synthetic 5W40 after the first oil change at 12-16000 km. Consecutive oil changes are at 10000km / 250 hrs, whichever is sooner. The oil filter hasn't changed on the series B cummins since 1989, so the filtration hasn't improved at all.
- Fuel filters: I change them every oil change, as I cannot always fill up at the same fueling station to guarantee consistent fuel quality. I also drain the fuel / water separator housings once a week. I'd rather waste a few bucks on filters / oil then purchase injectors / injector pump / engine, etc. I should note that in over 2 million HARD oilfield miles (most of them towing / hauling heavy loads), I have not ever done any mechanical repair other then maintenance (brakes, fluid changes, tires, shocks, u-joints, etc).
Just my 2 cents.

 

[takethebounce]

Changing synthetic oil and filter and both fuel filters every 10,000km? Sounds time consuming.

The rear fuel filter is a canister, how are you draining it?

 

[Cummins610]

We have 12 trucks all between 2008 and 2017. Highest truck is 710,000kms. 15w40 Oil @ 10k and Fuel filters @ 30k. Haven't done any fuel system work since we ran 5.9s, the 6.7 trucks have been great to us.

 

[Cyle]

I guess it depends if you plan to keep the truck for a while or not, but here's my opinion as a red seal tech with experience on the series B engine since its introduction on the Dodge in 1989, (and I've owned several since myself):
- The EGR system on the new trucks just pump soot back into the engine. Soot is carbon, and is a great abrasive. In short, change your oil regularly, unless you plan to delete the emissions systems. I switch to synthetic 5W40 after the first oil change at 12-16000 km. Consecutive oil changes are at 10000km / 250 hrs, whichever is sooner. The oil filter hasn't changed on the series B cummins since 1989, so the filtration hasn't improved at all.
- Fuel filters: I change them every oil change, as I cannot always fill up at the same fueling station to guarantee consistent fuel quality. I also drain the fuel / water separator housings once a week. I'd rather waste a few bucks on filters / oil then purchase injectors / injector pump / engine, etc. I should note that in over 2 million HARD oilfield miles (most of them towing / hauling heavy loads), I have not ever done any mechanical repair other then maintenance (brakes, fluid changes, tires, shocks, u-joints, etc).
Just my 2 cents.

There is probably a million Cummins in Dodge pick ups out there that get maintained according to the manual, or worse and see 400k+ without touching the engine. I know of one bought at 200km, now at 450km that doesn't get looked after well, and is always towing/hauling, still runs perfect. The new dual fuel filters are much better filtration, changing anymore often the 24k is throwing money away (aside from large amounts of idling). I don't like going 24k on the oil changes, I go 15k and that is about 6 months too just cause. The 6.7's in 10 years now have proven to be pretty much as reliable as the old 5.9's. The oil filters have certainly changed since 1989 in these trucks, I can't say how much but they are not the same one.

If you want a real good comparison, look at the heavy trucks which all have emissions, still million km engines and they go a lot longer then 24k on oil changes.

 

[Cyle]

Changing synthetic oil and filter and both fuel filters every 10,000km? Sounds time consuming.

The rear fuel filter is a canister, how are you draining it?

I assume he is talking about the one under the hood, which is still pretty much the same setup as the previous trucks, just harder to get at with all the junk under the hood.