2009 800 Dragon

[beaker]

i assure everybody i am NOT a dealer nor have ties to dealer. in my 1st post this is exactly what happened to me- same senario at a dealer in vancouver. pics, denied warranty etc due to my stupidity & 2 months off warranty. this is a crappy deal for sure. BUT everybody is reading ONLY what they want to read here here is some of the stuff not read properly WARRANTY ENDEDED BEFORE FAILURE APPROX 3 WEEKS. ENGINE DIED 2 MILES INTO 1ST RIDE THIS YEAR NOT 2 MILES AFTER LAST WORK BY DEALER. Anybody that knows 2 stroke engines knows how FUEL IS EVERYTHING. please spend some time & research fuels, ethanol, summer fuel, winter fuel etc. lots to be learned by all of us. not sayin i'm 100% correct on fuel but all ppl on here with a little research you will also see i'm not 100% wrong. poor fuel= this type of engine failure. imo

 

[Dynacorkle]

here is the rest of the story. 91 octane marinemarked fuel, melted piston, then engine started & rode out. now a simple piston turns into a cylinder & all piston material thru crank. 3 weeks off warranty dealer contacted polaris rep. polaris refused warranty for to reasons #1 pics of engine show major detonation. #2 out of warranty period, customer was offered extended warranty at time of sled purchase.
now i maybe stupid but does the warranty end date just mean warranty will end around 6 months after actual date? this is a high power engine why cheap out on fuel? maybe when the engine dies & seizes its time to find problem instead of the attitude '' screw it its warranty ride it to the truck if it will start''.
i am no dealer but this sounds like a good idea how it went down. i am sure with u footin the bill now you will be a little more carfull now that U PAY THE BILL. good luck try ski doo next time maybe u can pull the wool over there eyes

Come on man 3 engines in 922 kms?? His dealer should replace this for him with an apology. Not f#*k him over! That's RIDICULOUS!!!!!!

 

[maxwell]

put it on their doorstep

 

[Scrambled]

I dont say mutch in these type of posts but id like to no when peoples excpectation went down the tube,to think its ok for a motor to go with less then 1000k (let alone 3)is rediculess,we pay overten grand for new machines that are only going to last 2 seasons,that makes us stupid,I would and do expect to get atleast 4000 with alittle care and maintanence or Ill be pissed,not sayin my xp will get there but Im hoping,anyway maybe if we started to expect engines to last and tell dealers so we might get back to some form of reliabilty or is that to much to ask for $12000.Just getting tired of hearing people say that thats all part of sledding and how its an expensive sport so suck it up,to me thats just letting bigcompanys get away with ripping us off while some shrug there shoulder say thats part of the game I say bullchit.Anyways Im done my rant,you can go back to your fuel debates.:d

 

[pounder]

Hey, firstly would like to thank all for their comments and support. As for beaker, it is obvious you are the dealer, as you had some details no one else would know. Next a few more facts. I have always maintained everything, ie ATV's sleds, vehicle, bikes ect. regularly and always used what the dealer has recommended, if dealer oil, etc, no cheaping out here. We have always warmed up our equipment and stored under cover. As for fuel, we specifically asked if fuel made a difference and were told that it did not, and confirmed with other dealers. Now the sled was bought in Edmonton (pg didn't have one),but we dealt with PG since they were close. After the update pg told us there was one year warranty on the update, regardless from the original warranty. Dealer confirmed that fuel would not make a difference and I specifically asked if there was anything else we need to know. I asked if we need to put a fuel controller on and they said it made no difference. I thought they knew what they were talking about. By the way beaker, I never mentioned what fuel we used, do you have an octane tester? So you seem to know more about my sled than me, since we were never given an explanation on what happened other than poor fuel. Beaker, would have been nice to be given an explanation. Nevertheless, back to the point, we were told update was warrantied and fuel made no difference. We tried to get the warranty put through from other dealers but they were refused due to the original request from warranty by PG. Tried the goodwill parts etc, refused again. Edmonton tried to help but no luck. PG told us if we would have bought the sled originally from him, he would have helped us. A trade in was offered, but at a slap in the face dollar amount. When I confronted PG dealer, was basically told to leave and never come back.

When It comes down to it, all we wanted was help and support from the dealer.

 

[Dynacorkle]

Like i said absolutely ridiculous... Sorry about your luck dude. Don't know what to tell you, except if you rebuild it get the power commander. Or burn it and get something else.

 

[pounder]

thx, but not sure about giving my serial number out, can we call you?

 

[pounder]

thx, "onlypolaris" but I can phone you with regards to this?

 

[maxwell]

send him a private message

 

[dvst8r]

There is still no way this is fuel. If it detonated on any 91 then there is a mapping issue with the ECU.

ALL requirements have a safety margin built into them. Just like when I tune a turbo'd car that will be driven on the street, I don't leave it on the verge of detonation, I back it off, so that even if the owner does pick up a bad tank, or fills it with 89 to make it to his next pay check, it still doesn't wreck the motor.

The notion that summer or non taxed fuel (there really is no such thing as Marine fuel) could cause this is preposterous, forget the fact that a service station would be out of business if it wasn't turning fuel over quick enough to have been long since rid of summer fuel. But the whole chemical make up of summer fuel and the additive packages used is to make it evaporate slower, which is more expensive to do, and if anything would make the fuel burn slower raising its octane rating.

3 motors in less then 1000km's there is no way this is fuel. If it was every 800 dragon in Alberta would have suffered the same fate, as we have notoriously poor fuel quality here.

 

[CATPRIDE]

You know Pounder what I have to say is not much different than what everyone else has said. But I feel for you, IMO if you paid for the sled at your local dealer you bought it from him NO questions asked. I agree with a couple of posts put your sled in a beater of a truck and hang a sign indicating the service you are getting from this dealer. Second is a lawyer, first visit is free. But remember to always choose your fights wisely. If there is anything I can do for you let me know.

 

[OnlyPolaris]

thx, "onlypolaris" but I can phone you with regards to this?

pm sent.

 

[fargineyesore]

thats why i throw 5 bux in the truck first before fueling the sleds

Never thought of that but its a good idea. When you consider that a sled tank is only about 11 gallons, if you don't how much Premium Fuel are you actually getting?

 

[maxwell]

Never thought of that but its a good idea. When you consider that a sled tank is only about 11 gallons, if you don't how much Premium Fuel are you actually getting?

ive read that those multigrade single hose pumps hold up to 8 litres in the hoses etc.

on a stock machine im not too worried about it. but on one of my mod motors 8 litres of 89 could be the end

 

[hihi962]

ive read that those multigrade single hose pumps hold up to 8 litres in the hoses

that must really be awesome for the street bike guys..

 

[maxwell]

theres a list for all the streetbike guys on some website of all gas station locations with dedicated hoses for each grade.

 

[shoppingcart111]

Along with the sleds, I run a sportbike that requires premium and a highly tuned audi that runs 25+ lbs of boost and requires good grade premium and I can tell when its not good grade premium and I fill everything off the regular pumps with one hose and have never had any problems. Theres more to this issue then the octane rating of the fuel used. Stories like this really make me think twice about purchasing a polaris ever!

 

[dvst8r]

ive read that those multigrade single hose pumps hold up to 8 litres in the hoses etc...

That would be a HUGE hose.

A 1" hose which is large for your typical gasoline pump, they are normally 3/4 or 7/8 I.D with a 10ft long hose which is about average, and is easy to do the math would be:

The volume of a cylinder is (pi)r^2h. the radius is 0.5 inches and we are using a 10 foot hose, then the volume would be about 94 cubic inches. We double that to account for the switch pipe, so you get 188 cubic inches, which is 0.8 US Gallons or ~3L and that is being plenty generous.

So to have 8L left over in there you would need almost a 30ft hose, and even at the card locks I haven't seen that.

 

[maxwell]

like i said im just posting what ive read elsewhere.

BUT

your also not including all the piping down to the tank ( or where ever this switch takes place im not a gas pump installer )

and whatever other plumbing is involved in the process inside the pump itself.

point being whether its 3 litres or 8 litres or somewhere in between your not getting 91 octance when you start the pump. unless it was used previousyly

 

[dvst8r]

If you read what I wrote, I do take in account for the switch pipe "...then the volume would be about 94 cubic inches. We double that to account for the switch pipe..."

It is still only ~3L.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Do the math yourself, it doesn't lie.

You are correct you are not getting 91 as soon as you pull the handle if 87 was pumped previously, but on a 20L fill with the first 3L being 87 and the last 17L being 91, you would still end up with over 90.5x octane. On a sled that typically takes 40L it is more like 90.8x octane. Not enough to make a real world difference.