165 Alpha gets weighed

[d mills]

When you guys stop being Geeks and want to get serious about sled weight's this thread will be more useful, the info on this thread is nothing more then a useless exercise.
You want to get real about sled weights, get them in the snow, ride them for a few hours and let the snow accumulate. Then fuel them up and top them up with their fluids and weigh them in a real life scenario.
I know you will all be very surprised on how the weight's will CHANGE and compare when you start adding reality to it, like how much snow the sled packs all day versus how little it pack's. Basic sled design plays a far bigger role then what this thread lead's readers to believe.

I say BS that Polaris is the lightest sled on snow and i say BS that there is 100+lbs difference between a 4stroke and a 2stroke.
In fact i say Polaris will be "WITHIN" 50lbs of a Yamaha in real life and not in a shop. AND Cat is the lightest sled on snow.

Well that’s all I need to hear.....could you please get your words written on stone tablets and present them to the people at the base of mount sanai.....I mean mount revelstoke.

 

[mountianguy]

When you guys stop being Geeks and want to get serious about sled weight's this thread will be more useful, the info on this thread is nothing more then a useless exercise.
You want to get real about sled weights, get them in the snow, ride them for a few hours and let the snow accumulate. Then fuel them up and top them up with their fluids and weigh them in a real life scenario.
I know you will all be very surprised on how the weight's will CHANGE and compare when you start adding reality to it, like how much snow the sled packs all day versus how little it pack's. Basic sled design plays a far bigger role then what this thread lead's readers to believe.

I say BS that Polaris is the lightest sled on snow and i say BS that there is 100+lbs difference between a 4stroke and a 2stroke.
In fact i say Polaris will be "WITHIN" 50lbs of a Yamaha in real life and not in a shop. AND Cat is the lightest sled on snow.

Most people on here don't want to hear the truth if it doesn't apply to their ride. I agree that the Mountain Cat just doesn't hold as much snow and the Alpha even less. The Alpha is going to produce a record number of HFR this year. That sled is going to flat out work.

 

[niner]

Pretty sure the sidewinder holds snow. Just like EVERY sled does.The front of the sidewinder ices up in the front end just as much as the other sleds. And the boards just like other sleds. In the skid like other sleds. And you know what else? If the snow is deep enough to ice things up, nobody gives a chit what they weigh because we are having to much fun.

 

[dragonweld28]

They ALL hold a bunch of snow. Getting a sidewinder to 598lb is possible but you would have to do a carbon skit, titanium A arms, headlight delete, Earth battery, the lightest can on the market, stainless tube header, Lighter track, light seat/tank combo... Its a long list to get 56 pounds off a sidewinder.

It is nice to see the difference in weights and how far the sleds have come.

 

[Lund]

Pretty sure the sidewinder holds snow. Just like EVERY sled does.The front of the sidewinder ices up in the front end just as much as the other sleds. And the boards just like other sleds. In the skid like other sleds. And you know what else? If the snow is deep enough to ice things up, nobody gives a chit what they weigh because we are having to much fun.

I never said it didn't, i said the numbers will be very different in a real world condition.
Unless your ignorant of the fact's, we all know Polaris is the lightest sled on the show room floor and Yamaha is the heaviest on the show room floor...
But you'ed be very surprise how close those weight numbers are in real world condition's.

Ya this is an older example, but it still holds credit today, thing's have not changed that much and they all gotten better.
You be the judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtjsylwWboc

 

[niner]

I never said it didn't, i said the numbers will be very different in a real world condition.
Unless your ignorant of the fact's, we all know Polaris is the lightest sled on the show room floor and Yamaha is the heaviest on the show room floor...
But you'ed be very surprise how close those weight numbers are in real world condition's.

Ya this is an older example, but it still holds credit today, thing's have not changed that much and they all gotten better.
You be the judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtjsylwWboc

Lund I know exactly what your saying but if you ride like I think you ride, your sled looks more like the one the pics than the one in the video. No way you can ride in BC sweet sweet pow and not have your sled covered in snow. Guys with no snow on their sleds have spent the day at the cabin.
And for the record I think any money spent beyond a battery and can on a sidewinder would be a waste of money. They don’t ride heavy.

 

[Dazzler]

When you guys stop being Geeks and want to get serious about sled weight's this thread will be more useful, the info on this thread is nothing more then a useless exercise.
You want to get real about sled weights, get them in the snow, ride them for a few hours and let the snow accumulate. Then fuel them up and top them up with their fluids and weigh them in a real life scenario.
I know you will all be very surprised on how the weight's will CHANGE and compare when you start adding reality to it, like how much snow the sled packs all day versus how little it pack's. Basic sled design plays a far bigger role then what this thread lead's readers to believe.

I say BS that Polaris is the lightest sled on snow and i say BS that there is 100+lbs difference between a 4stroke and a 2stroke.
In fact i say Polaris will be "WITHIN" 50lbs of a Yamaha in real life and not in a shop. AND Cat is the lightest sled on snow.

Ok Einstein, according the so called "geeks" and there "useless exercise", they found the yamapig exactly 120 lbs heavier than the 850 poo not 100 lbs. So to get the poo within 50 lbs of that pig, you would need 70 lbs of snow and ice build up to achieve that, assuming that there is 0 snow and ice on the Yamaha.
So water equal 10 lbs per imperial gallon, your saying that there will be equivalent to 7 gallons of water on my shop floor after it melts? I think not... maybe from melting out three of those snow/ice magnets and only on certain snow conditions?

Here is a useless excercise for you, take a 5 gallon pail of water, set in the middle of your shop/garage floor and kick it over, you may be surprised how far it will go...

I personally thought that, that was a great gathering and exercise.... Kudo's to the crew, wished I could have participated.

 

[Mike270412]

Ok Einstein, according the so called "geeks" and there "useless exercise", they found the yamapig exactly 120 lbs heavier than the 850 poo not 100 lbs. So to get the poo within 50 lbs of that pig, you would need 70 lbs of snow and ice build up to achieve that, assuming that there is 0 snow and ice on the Yamaha.
So water equal 10 lbs per imperial gallon, your saying that there will be equivalent to 7 gallons of water on my shop floor after it melts? I think not... maybe from melting out three of those snow/ice magnets and only on certain snow conditions?

Here is a useless excercise for you, take a 5 gallon pail of water, set in the middle of your shop/garage floor and kick it over, you may be surprised how far it will go...

I personally thought that, that was a great gathering and exercise.... Kudo's to the crew, wished I could have participated.

I was late,but I got there before the beer got warm.

 

[deaner]

I love how the criteria keeps changing and getting narrowed. I think in order for it to be fair we need to put equal fuel in each sled, turn them out at 6 degrees celsius up a 36.5 degree slope. After 1 hour and 47 minutes, we will weigh each one from a jackpine. THAT weight will be the true test of the best sled.

 

[Caper11]

Ive seen that vid before.

Unfortunately we have seen a previous vid and the proof of ready to ride sleds done by a polaris dealer, which showed very light polaris sleds, with inconsistencies.
The unbiased test done by the members last weekend showed way different results.

Again a vid done by a manufacturer and it showed Only 43 lbs of snow added to the yamaha. While the other two packed on over twice that amount IMO shows a marketing bias and is not worth arguing over.

Every one knows that the G4 has the smaller fuel tank, the cat has way less heat exchanger weight and coolant, and imo the polaris will always be lighter by design.

Want to really put the weight argument to bed??? Get together on the hill and weight the same sleds again. If guys are game to try this, hopefully before accessories are added. The accessories are weighed before added to the sled.

 

[dragonweld28]

The four stroke guys i just trying to change the rules to make them feel better that there weighs over 100lbs more. The weigh in was a fun activity to hang our look at all the new iron and see what the weights were. After that it sensate really matter. Some people will run the stock can others will buy a can or even a titanium one which is a 15-18lb change. Like Niner said they all hold a lot of snow. That Viper was in nice warm spring conditions and was black... lol. Try that again at -10 and 30" of powder.

But they would complain about that too... Lol.

 

[snopro]

Ive seen that vid before.

Unfortunately we have seen a previous vid and the proof of ready to ride sleds done by a polaris dealer, which showed very light polaris sleds, with inconsistencies.
The unbiased test done by the members last weekend showed way different results.

Again a vid done by a manufacturer and it showed Only 43 lbs of snow added to the yamaha. While the other two packed on over twice that amount IMO shows a marketing bias and is not worth arguing over.

Every one knows that the G4 has the smaller fuel tank, the cat has way less heat exchanger weight and coolant, and imo the polaris will always be lighter by design.

Want to really put the weight argument to bed??? Get together on the hill and weight the same sleds again. If guys are game to try this, hopefully before accessories are added. The accessories are weighed before added to the sled.

gonna be hard to find 4 manufacturer sleds On the hill without some add ons of some kind.

 

[Dazzler]

I love how the criteria keeps changing and getting narrowed. I think in order for it to be fair we need to put equal fuel in each sled, turn them out at 6 degrees celsius up a 36.5 degree slope. After 1 hour and 47 minutes, we will weigh each one from a jackpine. THAT weight will be the true test of the best sled.

I don't understand why anyone gives a sheet what someone else chooses to ride??? Obviously some like them a little heavier than others, so ride whatever blows your hair back!!!
All four brands offer an awesome product and will get most of us into places that we probably shouldn't be.... well except for maybe doo!! �� Lol

But really, all this bantering does make for interesting read��... carry on...

 

[ferniesnow]

I don't understand why anyone gives a sheet what someone else chooses to ride??? Obviously some like them a little heavier than others, so ride whatever blows your hair back!!!
All four brands offer an awesome product and will get most of us into places that we probably shouldn't be.... well except for maybe doo!! �� Lol

But really, all this bantering does make for interesting read��... carry on...

Even the Doo can get some of us into places that we probably shouldn't be! But I sure like it when my Doo can get to places where others should have been so I can help them get unstuck!!

 

[arff]

gonna be hard to find 4 manufacturer sleds On the hill without some add ons of some kind.

No problem. Send be 150 thousand dollars. I will pick up new sleds. Take to Valemont and we do test.

Easy right. Add tip and beer money too.

I will wait for the cash.

 

[deaner]

Its about reassuring ourselves that we are riding the right brand by proving that the other brands are inferior. It raises personal confidence.

 

[arff]

Its about reassuring ourselves that we are riding the right brand by proving that the other brands are inferior. It raises personal confidence.

Makes sense. Keyboard rider for the win...

 

[Ballzdeep]

 

[Xmrider163]

Love this thread makes work much more enjoyable getting back to read peoples comments.

I’m in for the Mountain Weigh off just to be apart of the S n M community fun. The build up for trip #1 is killing me.

 

[Kibbels]

They ALL hold a bunch of snow. Getting a sidewinder to 598lb is possible but you would have to do a carbon skit, titanium A arms, headlight delete, Earth battery, the lightest can on the market, stainless tube header, Lighter track, light seat/tank combo... Its a long list to get 56 pounds off a sidewinder.

It is nice to see the difference in weights and how far the sleds have come.

No you don’t have to do that .. but whatever