14 xm 163. Rear skid set up

[tex78]

What's others done for the rear skid setup ??

I found it like to wheelie too much.

Was on the 3rd limit strap hole. Switched it to the 4th..

Now I can't for the life of me recall if the front shock is slacked off or cranked up ??

Looked at my xp but has the 2 stage spring. And its slacked off.


How many have drilled the rear arm hole back 3/4 of a inch , too keep the skis down and not trench as much.

Gets out of the snow good but think it can be better.

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[snopro]

Running the fat boy springs will help some. Baker has a new coupled B Motion kit for the XM's. Waiting to see what its like before buying. Will stop the wheelying yet the rear skid will still rock.

 

[revbyu]

so wht about your rear spring tension - wheres it set at ?

 

[tex78]

Springs on 4 , front shock spring is slacked off now ( was tight before like 3/4 threaded )

Limit strap in the 4 hole now.


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[BeachSled]

I can't get mine to wheelie at all, looks like my front track shock is about 1/4 - 1/2 and my spring is on 3. Limiter strap is where the dealer set it, hole 3 ? Running stock muffler. My buddies 154 with mbrp race can and same skid setting won't keep the skis down at all. What am I doing wrong ?

 

[oler1234]

I usually back the limiter right off. Pulling up the limiter strap tight adds spring rate even though you back the spring off. This is because you are compressing the shock(and spring) still. Yes it limits travel, but now you are using the front TWO shock to catapult the sled up in the air. The center shock can have the same effect. There is a balance obviously.

for me, back limiter right out, never had a problem
loosen the center spring shock out a lot.
then tune in front ski shocks and center for desired set(typ. They like 0.5-1.5)
tune rear springs for desired lift on trail
and you should be ok for the hills by then.

a lot of people tune everything up really tight and it just pounds you I think. personally I like the suspension to stroke atleast 3/4 of its travel. Some sag is good, a lot of sag is bad. Typically ski lift is because the center shock spring is to tight and has too much rate, or if your a heavy guy then you don't have enough spring rate in the rear.

Your thinking of above, moving the swing arm back will simulate more spring rate. Myself I am a lighter rider, so I move it forward to get less donky kick on the trail.

 

[maxwell]

I can't get mine to wheelie at all, looks like my front track shock is about 1/4 - 1/2 and my spring is on 3. Limiter strap is where the dealer set it, hole 3 ? Running stock muffler. My buddies 154 with mbrp race can and same skid setting won't keep the skis down at all. What am I doing wrong ?

my machine wheelies crazy. im not sure the limiter setting but with the sled on the ground the limiter strap is loose. no tension at all, your a 163 also, which wont wheelie like a 154

 

[BeachSled]

my machine wheelies crazy. im not sure the limiter setting but with the sled on the ground the limiter strap is loose. no tension at all, your a 163 also, which wont wheelie like a 154

I don’t expect it to act the same as a 154, but seeing your video's it’s like we have two different sleds. My buddy rode mine in the exact same areas as his and he was shocked at how little mine would lift the skis. The only thing I don’t have that both of you do is the MBRP race can, I can’t see it making that much of a difference?

My limiter strap has slack on it when it sits on the ground as well. I was on clicker 4, stock can... It seems to lack bottom end snap and just general get up and go... Not sure, maybe it’s just a brake in thing? 68% left...

 

[neilsleder]

I don’t expect it to act the same as a 154, but seeing your video's it’s like we have two different sleds. My buddy rode mine in the exact same areas as his and he was shocked at how little mine would lift the skis. The only thing I don’t have that both of you do is the MBRP race can, I can’t see it making that much of a difference?

My limiter strap has slack on it when it sits on the ground as well. I was on clicker 4, stock can... It seems to lack bottom end snap and just general get up and go... Not sure, maybe it’s just a brake in thing? 68% left...

No should still go even in brake in mode, I know mine sure does! I never rode mine with stock can but cant see it being the problem most guys say that they run better with stock can. Maybe belt tension to loose?

 

[tex78]

I don’t expect it to act the same as a 154, but seeing your video's it’s like we have two different sleds. My buddy rode mine in the exact same areas as his and he was shocked at how little mine would lift the skis. The only thing I don’t have that both of you do is the MBRP race can, I can’t see it making that much of a difference?

My limiter strap has slack on it when it sits on the ground as well. I was on clicker 4, stock can... It seems to lack bottom end snap and just general get up and go... Not sure, maybe it’s just a brake in thing? 68% left...

Mine goes like stink. Stock can , dunno how much break in left but 150 km on it.




Actually stupid how much snap it has , still on clicker 1. Still pulls 7900 down low or up top.

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[BeachSled]

I will have another look at my belt hight, I had cleaned my clutches and belt before we went out. Buddies 154 was on clicker 3 pulling 78-7900 all day. I was at 7600 on 3 so I put it up to clicker 4 and was at 7900. Sleds were Pdi'ed on clicker 3 so that's where we left them to start with.

I'm happy with it but not thrilled with it, bottom end snap/take off is just not there.

 

[recguy]

I will have another look at my belt hight, I had cleaned my clutches and belt before we went out. Buddies 154 was on clicker 3 pulling 78-7900 all day. I was at 7600 on 3 so I put it up to clicker 4 and was at 7900. Sleds were Pdi'ed on clicker 3 so that's where we left them to start with.

I'm happy with it but not thrilled with it, bottom end snap/take off is just not there.

Compared to what????

 

[tex78]

thats weird ..... even the last few years its said to have it on clicker 1 for the trail up and down [ so it don't over rev and wreck the reeds ] mind u most can ride it right and not let it ... mabe mines set up better ... dunno ... real happy with the stock clutch enough not sure if i will do a kit to it ... pulls harder than my 10 with a d.j adapted kit in it ..

only thing i don't like is the etech idles down and drops the belt coasting .... not used to have to keep stabing the accel on down hills ...

 

[maxwell]

I will have another look at my belt hight, I had cleaned my clutches and belt before we went out. Buddies 154 was on clicker 3 pulling 78-7900 all day. I was at 7600 on 3 so I put it up to clicker 4 and was at 7900. Sleds were Pdi'ed on clicker 3 so that's where we left them to start with.

I'm happy with it but not thrilled with it, bottom end snap/take off is just not there.

maybe its the 300lbs of extra bracing you added? LOL jk..

 

[lsone]

thats weird ..... even the last few years its said to have it on clicker 1 for the trail up and down [ so it don't over rev and wreck the reeds ] mind u most can ride it right and not let it ... mabe mines set up better ... dunno ... real happy with the stock clutch enough not sure if i will do a kit to it ... pulls harder than my 10 with a d.j adapted kit in it ..

only thing i don't like is the etech idles down and drops the belt coasting .... not used to have to keep stabing the accel on down hills ...

What exactly is the number for over rev?

 

[BeachSled]

maybe its the 300lbs of extra bracing you added? LOL jk..

We put all the same bracing on his as well.

What clicker do you run on ??

 

[Bnorth]

thats weird ..... even the last few years its said to have it on clicker 1 for the trail up and down [ so it don't over rev and wreck the reeds ] mind u most can ride it right and not let it ... mabe mines set up better ... dunno ... real happy with the stock clutch enough not sure if i will do a kit to it ... pulls harder than my 10 with a d.j adapted kit in it ..

only thing i don't like is the etech idles down and drops the belt coasting .... not used to have to keep stabing the accel on down hills ...

Even keeping on the throttle the engine braking is pretty lacking.

 

[BeachSled]

Compared to what????

What are you asking me here ?????

Compared to the '13 demo ride I went on.
Compared to the 154 my buddy has that we rode and switched with each other that weekend. (Not the exact same but should be closer then it is now)
Compared to other 163's that were with us that weekend.

 

[Winter Brew]

Belt deflection/height as high as possible without dragging/squeeling?
Beachsled, one thing I have seen on several new sleds is the oil was never cleaned off the clutches properly....many dealers just throw a belt on and run it. Then the sheaves and belt are oil contaminated and will not grip like they should. An easy thing to do is pull the belt and clean the sheaves with soap and water and then lightly scotchbrite the sheave faces. Clean the belt as well, or start with a fresh belt. This oil had caused many problems on new sleds...eventually it will take care of itself, but its a quick/easy possibility to cross off the list. In theory it would be most evident where you are seeing a drop in performance, when there is little belt/sheave contact....as it upshifts things get back to normal.

 

[Bnorth]

What exactly is the number for over rev?

I think the limiter kicks in at 8300. I got a little throttle happy on the trail the other day.